Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

Are you saying asking what the long-term effects are is not a legitimate concern? Because this again is what I am referencing when I say things are being oversold. I don't care how long mRNA has been in development. The vax for covid was not, the delivery system was. I don't care whether or not Dr. Malone played a part in the development of the mechanism or not. We rapidly deployed this tech on a massive scale never before seen in human history. The fact that people would be (and frankly should be) concerned is not a fleeting or trivial matter. The anecdotal evidence is that the vaccine appears relatively safe with 50% of the US now inoculated. But time will tell. I always get flack for this position and it makes no sense. I am concerned because I and everyone I love have this stuff in them. Questioning it doesn't mean you can't see the value that the vaccine represents in fighting the pandemic. But people are not out of bounds wanting to know the trade-offs when taking this new medicine. I find this just as off-putting as ardent anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories.

This is a legitimate concern, but it has an easy answer. The longest latency for any side effect in the history of vaccines is about 6 weeks for a few outlier cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome. All other known side effects occur within minutes to days. There simply isn't a viable biochemical mechanism that would allow the small amount of material injected in a vaccine to suddenly cause medical problems to surface months or years later. The actual material of the vaccine components gets quickly broken down into basic chemical building blocks that are indistinguishable from the generalized biochemical soup that bathes every cell of the human body. Even the spike proteins the mRNA encodes get quickly chewed up into smaller fragments and then completely broken down into the constituent amino acid residues, after the macrophages have presented them to the developing lymphocytic stem cells. The only lasting impacts of any vaccine are the reserve armies of B and T cells the immunization process recruits. If these cells don't cause an autoimmune reaction within weeks, they never will.

This "we don't know the long-term side effects" concern is a canard that the anti-vaxxers have cleverly planted via social media. We have zero reason to believe the vaccines will cause new problems years down the line by the same logic we expect the sun to rise in the east every day... it always has and there is a valid scientific mechanism to explain that observation.

 

[Bob Harlem]

Orange County, FL less overall new cases than last week.

 

[Lilofan]

So true, too bad we don't.



Before we shut down the state borders maybe we should be shutting down the USA borders.

That blame the immigrants coming in ( ie close the USA border, ramping up the racism towards migrants etc ) is getting old and a deflection of the pandemic of the unvaccinated some soon to be unemployed for refusal to get vaccinated for work ( Ma' Freedom! )

 

[Disney Analyst]

This is a legitimate concern, but it has an easy answer. The longest latency for any side effect in the history of vaccines is about 6 weeks for a few outlier cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome. All other known side effects occur within minutes to days. There simply isn't a viable biochemical mechanism that would allow the small amount of material injected in a vaccine to suddenly cause medical problems to surface months or years later. The actual material of the vaccine components gets quickly broken down into basic chemical building blocks that are indistinguishable from the generalized biochemical soup that bathes every cell of the human body. Even the spike proteins the mRNA encodes get quickly chewed up into smaller fragments and then completely broken down into the constituent amino acid residues, after the macrophages have presented them to the developing lymphocytic stem cells. The only lasting impacts of any vaccine are the reserve armies of B and T cells the immunization process recruits. If these cells don't cause an autoimmune reaction within weeks, they never will.

This "we don't know the long-term side effects" concern is a canard that the anti-vaxxers have cleverly planted via social media. We have zero reason to believe the vaccines will cause new problems years down the line by the same logic we expect the sun to rise in the east every day... it always has and there is a valid scientific mechanism to explain that observation.

And what we do know is a virus can lay dormant hidden in a body. A virus can come back, can cause future issues. We have no idea what Covid may do to people down the road who had it.

Why some would rather risk that then trusted and dependable vaccine technology is baffling to me.

 

[Andrew C]

Called it! Lol

Those Anti-Covid Plastic Barriers Probably Don’t Help and May Make Things Worse

Clear barriers have sprung up at restaurants, nail salons and school classrooms, but most of the time, they do little to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Virtual Toad]

Mandates are a whole other matter and one that will take the politicization of the issue to the stratosphere. I realize we have little control outside our nation but if our vax rate is 100% and the rest of the world is at 30% I don't know if the virus will be contained. Maybe it would. I really don't know. Smart people...?

Near-full vaccination in the United States will help reduce the spread of COVID within the U.S. and further protect those vaccinated against serious consequences should an infection occur. Every person that gets the vaccine reduces the number of possible paths for COVID to take. Doing that on a global scale is definitely a priority as well. Think how much farther along on that mission we could be as a world leader if we weren’t having so much trouble crossing the finish line at home.

 

[DCBaker]

Mayor Demings announces he has extended the local state of emergency for another 7 days.

Current vaccination status for Orange County via Mayor Demings -

The 14-day rolling positivity rate is 20.07%.

 

[BrianLo]

And what we do know is a virus can lay dormant hidden in a body. A virus can come back, can cause future issues. We have no idea what Covid may do to people down the road who had it.

Why some would rather risk that then trusted and dependable vaccine technology is baffling to me.

By their line of thinking, they'd rather participate in the trial of a "Chinese Bioweapon" (as a guinea pig) rather than trust their own governments vaccine. I struggle to bridge the gap in the logic, because there is no logic, just irrational emotions.

Similarly to people who rushed for hydroxychloroquine or Remdisivir usage but still are hung up on FDA approval. There is no ongoing mass trial, Billions of doses of vaccines have been administered.

It's just a series of lame excuses.

 

[Disney Analyst]

By their line of thinking, they'd rather participate in the trial of a "Chinese Bioweapon" (as a guinea pig) rather than trust their own governments vaccine. I struggle to bridge the gap in the logic, because there is no logic, just irrational emotions.

Similarly to people who rushed for hydroxychloroquine or Remdisivir usage but still are hung up on FDA approval. There is no ongoing mass trial, Billions of doses of vaccines have been administered.

Sometimes there is simply not enough logic in the world…

 

[mmascari]

Are you saying asking what the long-term effects are is not a legitimate concern?

Context matters here. In August/September 2020, this was a very legitimate question. In August 2021, it's been answered. There's no long term risk.

Because this again is what I am referencing when I say things are being oversold. I don't care how long mRNA has been in development. The vax for covid was not, the delivery system was. I don't care whether or not Dr. Malone played a part in the development of the mechanism or not. We rapidly deployed this tech on a massive scale never before seen in human history.

This is emotional reaction to not liking the answer above. It's been answered, there' s no long term risk. I don't ask what the long term risk is to the paper cut I got 6 months ago. In the first week, that was a valid question, it might have been infected. Now, I know it wasn't and there's no way for that papercut to come back and get me later.

The fact that people would be (and frankly should be) concerned is not a fleeting or trivial matter. The anecdotal evidence is that the vaccine appears relatively safe with 50% of the US now inoculated.

It's not anecdotal anymore. It's been validated, tested, and statistically checked in a rigorous manner. Back in July/August 2020, it was anecdotal. We're long past that now.

But time will tell.

Time told.

I always get flack for this position and it makes no sense.

You get flack because this is a tried and true standard Anti-Vax talking point. It's been answered. To ignore the answer and suggest it isn't known yet is repeating an Anti-Vax talking point, even if you don't think you mean it to be Anit-Vax. It's actually worse then. At least people who are clearly Anti-Vax know they're stating and Anti-Vax message.

I am concerned because I and everyone I love have this stuff in them. Questioning it doesn't mean you can't see the value that the vaccine represents in fighting the pandemic. But people are not out of bounds wanting to know the trade-offs when taking this new medicine. I find this just as off-putting as ardent anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories.

A vaccine is one of the most tested, most rigorously tested, safest types of medicine you can take. Combined with, it's one of the smallest doses of medicine you take with just a couple of doses. There's no concerns about long term build up, because there is no long term repetition of doses.

Timing and context matter a lot. ALL of these concerns were completely valid back before December 2020. Now, in August 2021, they've all been answered.

 

[mmascari]

Yesterday a friend of mine on FB posted something that really hurt all their friends who were medical people.

It's easier to just not have friends. That's my motto.

 

[DCBaker]

Dr. Pino gives an example of reported vaccinations yesterday -

1,352 first doses
1.175 second doses
394 third doses

He also notes the deacceleration of cases in Orange County with this example -

In Week 28 - 67% increase
In Week 29 - 55% increase
In Week 30 - 31% increase
In Week 31 - 8% increase

This week currently sits at 3% decrease of cases, but he believes it will end up being close to 0.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Just learned a student in my older child’s high school is now hospitalized with COVID. And another case at my younger child’s school today. And still no mask mandate in our county— and no social distancing protocols whatsoever— in spite of other counties stepping up (albeit in small steps) to start to do the right thing.

Edited to add: the tiresome and repetitive deflection, false equivalency and outright falsehoods of those who refuse to be on the right side of this issue is really starting to get on my nerves.

 

[Epct82]

Called it! Lol

Understandable how this would be a "LOL" for someone if they worked a cushy, corporate job from behind a computer screen at home... getting paid the most for doing the least.
Yet for many who deal with face-to-face public on a daily basis, it was a terrifying thought being at such close confines with people with all that was going on the past couple years.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Winter is coming folks, what COVID-19's current wave will gonna ending soon, if we have enough people have vaccinated including kids 5-11, there will be no more spikes / surges anymore in USA.

 

[The Mrs]

If the booster program for the general public rolls out September 20, how will that impact administration of the annual flu vaccine? It seems to me like pharmacies and other locations that normally take walk ins for flu shots are going to be busy prioritizing covid boosters.

 

[Epct82]

this reminds me of something i’ve actually said to some covid deniers in my area last year when things were a lot worse. i told them “come work at the hospital i work at for 2 weeks. maybe that’ll change your perspective.”

No offense to any of our teachers for stealing the limelight off of you for a moment, but I gotta say hats-off to all of our nurses for putting up with everything you've had to put up with over the past year+ during the pandemic. I cannot begin to imagine the stress many of you are under right now. Please stay safe, and we appreciate all of your hard work.

Again, no offense to teachers. I know you all are important too, but just wanted to give credit to our medical which is much deserved.

 

[Lilofan]

No offense to any of our teachers for stealing the limelight off of you for a moment, but I gotta say hats-off to all of our nurses for putting up with everything you've had to put up with over the past year+ during the pandemic. I cannot begin to imagine the stress many of you are under right now. Please stay safe, and we appreciate all of your hard work.

Again, no offense to teachers. I know you all are important too, but just wanted to give credit to our medical which is much deserved.

I've been in the hospital visiting a loved one and also I ate in the cafeteria for two days. The hospital staff, not just nurses , eating were visibly stressed and some ate at lightning speed ( similar to ones in the military ) and left the room when finished. These superheroes don't need to wear capes.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I've been in the hospital visiting a loved one and also I ate in the cafeteria for two days. The hospital staff, not just nurses , eating were visibly stressed and some ate at lightning speed ( similar to ones in the military ) and left the room when finished. These superheroes don't need to wear capes.

But they do need to wear gloves, gowns, N95 masks, eye protection, etc. for hours at a time. Every day. On the outpatient side, I sometimes need to gown-up for a few minutes at a time, and it's a huge relief taking off that stuff afterwards. I can't imagine working all day in full PPE.

So, you might say when I hear the "Mah freedom!" crowd rant against masks, they sound to me like my toddler when he doesn't get his way.

 

[DCBaker]

Update with information from the large increase in deaths reported today to the CDC -

"Florida on Thursday reported 15,586 more COVID-19 cases to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, along with 799 deaths over the span of the pandemic, all but one of which occurred in the past month, according to Herald calculations of CDC data.

The one-day jump in the number of reported cases and deaths comes amid a change in the way deaths and cases are counted. The change was implemented by the CDC last week, resulting in occasional one-day aberrations like the 799 deaths reported on Thursday

The inclusion of the previously uncounted deaths is part of Florida’s ongoing latest wave. It is the largest single-day increase in the tally in Florida COVID pandemic history."

"On Aug. 10, the CDC changed the way it reported new cases and deaths in Florida. Cases and deaths used to be logged as total new cases reported on a single day. Now, Florida is reporting cases by the “case date,” according to the CDC rather than the date the case was logged into the system. The result of this change is a lag in cases by date and a significant number of cases backfilling over time."

"There were 17,295 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Thursday — breaking the state’s current hospitalization record, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 259 Florida hospitals. This is 199 more patients than yesterday’s COVID patient population.

COVID-19 patients also accounted for 29.35% of all hospital patients.

Of the hospitalized in Florida, 3,606 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of four from yesterday’s report. That represents 54.16% of the state’s ICU hospital beds from 259 hospitals reporting data."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253612503.html