Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Basil of Baker Street]

Ok, then. Since so many Americans are heavy beneficiaries of government services (military protection, infrastructure, schools, parks, code inspectors that ensure your home was properly built or renovated) and/or money, we are also "government entities." Our freedom is a façade, and we should be held down while they vaccinate every last one of us. Problem solved.

Sure, we pay taxes and get occasional stimulus money or more permanent services in return. Airlines (and other historically bailed out industries) also pay a pretty good amount of money in taxes and fees. Not proportional at the moment, or with last year's receipts, but the GM bailout eventually paid off. So, common good and all that. Not usually a fan of such phrases, but uncommon times call for outside the box thinking.

No no, don't get me wrong. I wasn't commenting on your stance or anything. I'm not getting into the back and forth pizzing contests everyone gets into on this thread. I was simply stating I think its funny the airlines are considered private. Uncle Sam is probably the largest share holder of them all.

 

[danlb_2000]

Natural immunity to Covid is strong – study - The Observer

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www.observer.ug

Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine

Analysis by Dr. Joseph MercolaFact Checked July 27, 2021 STORY AT-A-GLANCE Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less...

www.drcharlesbens.com

The second article was interesting until I got to this line which to me totally invalidates anything else this person has to say....

"If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy,"

 

[Muffinpants]

The second line was interesting until I got to this line which to me totally invalidates anything else this person has to say....

"If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy,"

People will think this than ask for the hardly tested very experimental treatment drug...

 

[sullyinMT]

No no, don't get me wrong. I wasn't commenting on your stance or anything. I'm not getting into the back and forth pizzing contests everyone gets into on this thread. I was simply stating I think its funny the airlines are considered private. Uncle Sam is probably the largest share holder of them all.

No harm. I’m a little edgy with recent work related issues (healthcare woes alluded to in this thread recently), but I’m not about digging in the trenches, either.

Let’s hope this wave breaks soon. I’ll buy you a beverage of choice at HHN and we would find more to agree on than argue about. Cheers!

 

[danlb_2000]

People will think this than ask for the hardly tested very experimental treatment drug...

My bigger issue is calling it a "gene therepy" which plays to the anti-vaxer claim that the mRNA vaccine alter your DNA.

 

[Andrew C]

My bigger issue is calling it a "gene therepy" which plays to the anti-vaxer claim that the mRNA vaccine alter your DNA.

Yeah. We should know by now it doesn’t do that. It only implants a chip so bill gates can track you. No biggie.

 

[Figgy1]

My bigger issue is calling it a "gene therepy" which plays to the anti-vaxer claim that the mRNA vaccine alter your DNA.

Highly experimental? Over a decade in development and how many millions upon millions administered

 

[sullyinMT]

My bigger issue is calling it a "gene therepy" which plays to the anti-vaxer claim that the mRNA vaccine alter your DNA.

Ignoring, of course, how Regeneron and other monoclonal antibody treatments are made. People making those claims and sound bites are such “winners.”

 

[Patcheslee]

Quit smoking?

I choose not to. That's what I don't complain about the extra premium.

 

[Patcheslee]

I never knew employers actually did this. Another reason to be unionized?

We are unionized. Other than premiums will not increase by over 1% each year, there is not restriction. I also pay an additional $1.34/ week for life insurance due to being a smoker.

 

[Lilofan]

I choose not to. That's what I don't complain about the extra premium.

Smoking kills. I've seen it first hand.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yeah. We should know by now it doesn’t do that. It only implants a chip so bill gates can track you. No biggie.

"... Goes to work, goes home, goes to work, goes home, goes to work, wow, he went to Target today, goes home. This guy was a waste of a tracking chip".

 

[GoofGoof]

Nah.

There it is Way more effective than a nope.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think all the back and forth debate on what’s essential and where vaccines should be required just shows us that a federal vaccine mandate would never work and we’d never get the result we want. I think the current plan just needs to be expanded where we allow the fundamental core of our American economic system drive the change. Many people claim to believe in capitalism and believe in keeping big government away from controlling how businesses interact with their customers and their employees. If a business wants to mandate the vaccine for employees that’s in line with common practice in our society and covered clearly though existing employment law. Slam dunk. For interactions with customers, businesses should also have the right to decide how to operate safely to protect their employees and customers and if they decide that is a vaccine requirement then so be it.

In both cases people are free to decide they don’t want to be vaccinated and just sit out those jobs and those activities. Life is full of choices. Those people are also free to disagree with those policies, it’s a free country. Plenty of people disagree with all kinds of policies. Doesn‘t mean they don’t have to comply.

 

[correcaminos]

Right. I understand. This just illustrates the point that there is a lot of back and forth with all of this. I'm not arguing.

A lot of back and forth implies an argument. If there is evidence (pretty strong) to show vaccines being better for immunity why would anyone risk it twice?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Miami Herald is reporting hospitalizations in Florida have surpassed 17,000 -

"Despite a lower number of hospitals reporting, Florida continued to set records in current COVID-19 hospitalizations and COVID patients in intensive care units, surpassing 17,000 and 3,600, respectively.

That’s according to data reported Wednesday morning by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 232 hospitals. Most of the past two weeks, the number of hospitals reporting has ranged from 250 to 258.

The 17,096 people hospitalized represents a 37.8% rise from the 12,408 reported on Aug. 5.

As for COVID-19 patients in intensive care unit beds, that head count is up to 3,610, a 50% leap from the 2,406 reported on Aug. 5. The 3,610 represent 55% of the people in ICU beds in the reporting hospitals."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253571999.html

The case total today being reported from the Florida Hospital Association is 23,335 (this has not been reflected in the CDC data tracker yet).

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Yeah. We should know by now it doesn’t do that. It only implants a chip so bill gates can track you. No biggie.

He can track me all he wants as long as I get a nice weekly allowance.

 

[Patcheslee]

Smoking kills. I've seen it first hand.

So have I, but I've also seen breast cancer, brain cancer, liver cancer, skin cancer, lymphoma , and diabetes so far kill my family. The odds of me not dying of some type of cancer is slim.

 

[Epct82]

He can track me all he wants as long as I get a nice weekly allowance.

After his divorce, he's been using my tracking chip to ask me for money.

 

[GoofGoof]

For what it’s worth it looks like case growth in FL has really slowed down. Still maybe increasing but at a much slower rate. The week over week change in the 7 day average is up less than 1%. Could be a small plateua or hopefully the peak and we start to see the cases go down again. Here’s to hoping

On a local front our cases look like they have plateaued this week too. Still too soon to call it, but looking better. We peaked at right around 10 cases per 100,000. It’s crazy that we were under 0.5 cases per 100,000. I do worry the winter could be a larger spike but hopefully kids 5-11 are vaccinated and we are well into the boosters for the highest risk people before that hits.