Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

I think at this point most people just need to accept that they will get some sort of variant of the virus at some point in their lives. It's not going anywhere. We've had the flu vaccine for decades, and guess what, people still get the flu. But like it has been pointed out multiple times, if you're vaccinated against it, the likelihood of you dying from it is astronomically low. At that point, it's not something you should be worried about anyway.

The flu is somewhat different because there are so many different strains and the dominant strains are different from year to year. The vaccine that protects against one strain doesn't provide good protection against most other strains. The flu shot vaccinates you against the three strains in each year that they predict will be dominant.

While SARS-CoV-2 could mutate enough to make what you say come to fruition, to date the vaccines protect very well against contracting all known variants. Unless variants appear that make the vaccines far less effective, if you are vaccinated and keep up with whatever boosters are determined to be necessary, it is very likely that you will never be infected by SARS-CoV-2 or develop symptoms of COVID-19.

 

[danlb_2000]

I am fascinated at the use of the words “Breakthrough infections.” The vaccine will not stop you from getting infected. The vaccine enables your body to have an immune response when you are infected, to help your body to fight off the infection.

All the other stuff we should be doing like; washing your hands, self awareness of what you touch and not touching your face, frequent use of hand sanitizer, trying to distance, staying home when you are sick, these are things we need to keep doing!

Here is an article that addresses this. This article suggests that it should only be considered a breakthrough if there is a lower respiratory infection.

JCI - What should define a SARS-CoV-2 “breakthrough” infection?

www.jci.org

 

[LittleBuford]

This is encouraging for the time being, though I expect the trend to reverse now that restrictions have been lifted:

Daily Covid cases down for third day in UK

New infections are down but it is too soon to say if cases have peaked, say experts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Disney Experience]

(Additionally, the source, Haaretz is perhaps the most liberal pro-vax news source in Israel... it's their Huffington Post)

At this juncture, there is limited value to any mitigation, apart from policies that encourage (or mandate) vaccination.

I have not followed Israel vaccine rate for months and therefore do not know how successful they have been in younger cohort . Israel is reimplementing other mitigations as the article below points out.. A lot of papers picked up the 40% story,( see below), most seem to highlight the 40%, but reading deeper we can see the caveats ( reason I highlighted the caveats above the link in the original message).

Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Is Less Effective Against Delta Infections but Still Prevents Serious Illness, Israel Study Suggests

The study from Israel comes as governments around the world try to check the rampant spread of the variant.

www.wsj.com

 

[Polkadotdress]

Here’s an insightful article that sheds some light on breakthrough cases, and how contagious delta actually is. Data was pulled from San Francisco, which has a higher-than-national-average vax rate, yet breakthrough cases are 5 per 100K and unvaxxed is 15 per 100K.

S.F.’s coronavirus case rate now rivals California’s. What’s going on?

San Francisco is seeing coronavirus case rates rise faster than in the Bay Area and...

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[Disney Experience]

This is encouraging for the time being, though I expect the trend to reverse now that restrictions have been lifted:

Daily Covid cases down for third day in UK

New infections are down but it is too soon to say if cases have peaked, say experts.

www.bbc.co.uk

India’s numbers where delta originated, went way up and then quickly went back down. Though they are worried about a third wave.

Delta domination against other variants that are better escaping vaccine is good for us. There is some hope that the changes to the spike that increase the chance of a virus escaping a vaccine also make it less competitive than delta.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Here is an article that addresses this. This article suggests that it should only be considered a breakthrough if there is a lower respiratory infection.

JCI - What should define a SARS-CoV-2 “breakthrough” infection?

www.jci.org

I see, the current vaccines prevent COVID-19, by definition a lower respiratory tract illness. The upper, nasal infection may occur in vaccinated individuals.

This makes sense, and why a lot of folks I know has this upper, nasal infection that folks are thinking it’s a normal cold.

In any event it’s still good to follow all the germaphobic practices to keep from getting infected

 

[DisneyCane]

Here’s an insightful article that sheds some light on breakthrough cases, and how contagious delta actually is. Data was pulled from San Francisco, which has a higher-than-national-average vax rate, yet breakthrough cases are 5 per 100K and unvaxxed is 15 per 100K.

S.F.’s coronavirus case rate now rivals California’s. What’s going on?

San Francisco is seeing coronavirus case rates rise faster than in the Bay Area and...

www.sfchronicle.com

Can you summarize? There's a paywall for me.

 

[Andrew C]

Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Polkadotdress]

So I was thinking a bit more about the effectiveness of the vaccine and what that means to an individual.

Can you summarize? There's a paywall for me.

Quote from one of the article contributors: “What the last month has demonstrated is that even 3/4 of a population vaccinated in the face of a virus that’s twice as infectious is not enough to prevent significant amounts of spread.”

San Fran has high vax rate, but dispute this they are seeing case rate, and hospitalization rate increase more than expected, to #’s posted earlier. One would not expect vaxx’d to hit 5 in 100K, but they are.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[DisneyCane]

2 down and several million to go. My COVID vaccine hesitant friend (who still doesn't want the mRNA vaccines) and his wife got the J&J shot. His father kept pressuring him and they gave in. BTW, his father is pretty much as "red" as a person gets.

 

[Heppenheimer]

2 down and several million to go. My COVID vaccine hesitant friend (who still doesn't want the mRNA vaccines) and his wife got the J&J shot. His father kept pressuring him and they gave in. BTW, his father is pretty much as "red" as a person gets.

Every little bit helps. One victory at a time.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Looks like it's going to be another record-breaking day. That's like the fourth day in a row

 

[Andrew C]

Looks like it's going to be another record-breaking day. That's like the fourth day in a row

At this point, probably should be expected for a few weeks or so

 

[DonniePeverley]

Sad day ... the USA overtakes the UK for cases. Of course there's a caveat for population size, but the USA rise is getting so fast that's it getting to be the highest in the world once again.

 

[Polkadotdress]

My daughter got up early to be there when they opened this location, and still waited 2 hours for a test (travel-related reason).

Looks like it's going to be another record-breaking day. That's like the fourth day in a row

It is…over 13K!

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Why Vaccinated People Are Getting ‘Breakthrough’ Infections (Published 2021)

The vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and death, but they are not a golden shield against the coronavirus.

www.nytimes.com

Side note, news sites that put COVID-related articles and updates behind a paywall are awful.

You can't complain about disinformation and the need to reach people, and then Nickle and dime them when they want to get that info.

 

[havoc315]

Side note, news sites that put COVID-related articles and updates behind a paywall are awful.

You can't complain about disinformation and the need to reach people, and then Nickle and dime them when they want to get that info.

Unless they have changed, NY Times does a few free articles per month. Pre-internet, would you have objected to pay for the newspaper or should have they given away the papers for free?
Paywalls are necessary -- or the newspapers would be out of business, and then we would not have any good sources of information.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Pre-internet, would you have objected to pay for the newspaper or should have they given away the papers for free?

We haven't been "pre-internet" in many years, so there's no point discussing such a hypothetical.

This is a national health crisis where the Feds have said disinformation has played a key part in the spread of disease.

If the NYT wants to put a paywall in front of its Op-eds, reviews, or thinly veiled advertisements as articles, that's fine, but they'd do more good will by providing some key info for free and possible advertise their paper more as a result.

Paywalls are necessary -- or the newspapers would be out of business, and then we would not have any good sources of information.

How "good" the info is in certain newspapers is debatable to say the least.