Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

If I can change he topic for a second

mutations:

With the soon to be out of control spread of delta around the world is there any chance we have a mutation that makes it more contagious, so that it becomes the dominant strain, while being significantly less deadly?

If so is this statistically less likley to happen then a mutation that makes things worse?

Generally, it is not in the reproductive interest to kill the host ( anthrax is an interesting exception). What gives a virus a reproductive advantage is keeping or increasing the length of time it can output virus from the host to infect others, and/or making the success rate of spreading increase. So becoming more deadly is a competitive disadvantage if it decreases the ability to spread.

From what I have read virus is more likely to evolve to a less deadly form if that ( or another mutation it has) increases the selective bias in the favor of that variant . (Increases the chance to spread).

The increase ability for delta to enter host cells and thereby replicating easier gives it an advantage vs other variants that exist now.

 

[Slpy3270]

This is what awaits Biden in a month or two if he doesn't intervene in stopping the Delta spread.

Suga Cabinet Approval Falls to Record Low below 30 Pct

Tokyo, July 16 (Jiji Press)--The public approval rate for Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga's cabinet cam…

www.nippon.com

 

[Touchdown]

This is what awaits Biden in a month or two if he doesn't intervene in stopping the Delta spread.

Suga Cabinet Approval Falls to Record Low below 30 Pct

Tokyo, July 16 (Jiji Press)--The public approval rate for Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga's cabinet cam…

www.nippon.com

No because Japan hasn’t vaccinated every willing citizen. This won’t be us.

 

[Slpy3270]

No because Japan hasn’t vaccinated every willing citizen. This won’t be us.

Ummm....there are dozens of Americans who want the vaccine but can't get it for a lot of reasons, like immune deficiency, lack of health insurance not shielding them from surprise bills, high debt, lack of adequate access to medical care as well as skepticism of a system that has screwed them for centuries.

And there a lot more of those in America than there are willing Japanese citizens, so our position is no better if not worse than last year despite the vaccines.

 

[LittleBuford]

A fascinating read:

Treating the Unvaccinated

In Utah, and across the U.S., doctors are facing a wave of preventable COVID deaths—and trying to convince the hesitant that “it doesn’t have to be this way.”

www.newyorker.com

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Ummm....there are dozens of Americans who want the vaccine but can't get it for a lot of reasons, like immune deficiency, lack of health insurance not shielding them from surprise bills, high debt, lack of adequate access to medical care as well as skepticism of a system that has screwed them for centuries.

And there a lot more of those in America than there are willing Japanese citizens, so our position is no better if not worse than last year despite the vaccines.

The shot is available for free to anyone who wants it. You don't have to have health insurance. You don't have to pay for it.

Do I think some are unaware or misunderstand? Sure. But not in huge numbers I don't.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The shot is available for free to anyone who wants it. You don't have to have health insurance. You don't have to pay for it.

Do I think some are unaware or misunderstand? Sure. But not in huge numbers I don't.

I have a state ID and I have health insurance so I don’t know how it works for people without it. They took down information from both my ID and my health insurance. Could I have still gotten the vaccine if I didn’t have those 2?

 

[LittleBuford]

I have a state ID and I have health insurance so I don’t know how it works for people without it. They took down information from both my ID and my health insurance. Could I have still gotten the vaccine if I didn’t have those 2?

This is the first thing that came up when I Googled:

FAQs

Frequently asked questions about COVID-19.

covid19.nj.gov

I assume it holds true for the US as a whole.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This is the first thing that came up when I Googled:

FAQs

Frequently asked questions about COVID-19.

covid19.nj.gov

I assume it holds true for the US as a whole.

I’m wondering how that plays out in real life though. I’m not saying it doesn’t, but the process sure seemed to be set up for my ID and insurance card!

 

[correcaminos]

The shot is available for free to anyone who wants it. You don't have to have health insurance. You don't have to pay for it.

Do I think some are unaware or misunderstand? Sure. But not in huge numbers I don't.

A portion of people without insurance had issues getting the vaccine. You are missing socioeconomic issues as well as hesitancy due to fear of medicine being against your marginalized status. Those are harder to deal with but reachable.

 

[correcaminos]

I’m wondering how that plays out in real life though. I’m not saying it doesn’t, but the process sure seemed to be set up for my ID and insurance card!

I think it varies. I know personally undocumented who had no issues. I know some really were too fearful no matter what. Some no fault of their own being undocumented (aka deamers)

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I have a state ID and I have health insurance so I don’t know how it works for people without it. They took down information from both my ID and my health insurance. Could I have still gotten the vaccine if I didn’t have those 2?

I think they did ask for IDs when we were vaccinated, but only because at the time appointments were limited and they wanted to make sure we lived in the state. They didn't take our health insurance info though.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think they did ask for IDs when we were vaccinated, but only because at the time appointments were limited and they wanted to make sure we lived in the state. They didn't take our health insurance info though.

I’m sure it varies but they asked for my ID and health insurance... typed stuff in from both. They then handed me a form where I also had to enter my state ID number.

At no time did either seem optional, but I had both so it didn’t matter to me.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

A portion of people without insurance had issues getting the vaccine. You are missing socioeconomic issues as well as hesitancy due to fear of medicine being against your marginalized status. Those are harder to deal with but reachable.

I was specifically addressing the "high debt" and "uninsured" issues mentioned by someone else. Yes, I think some are unaware that neither of those matter, but I don't think huge numbers of people are.

 

[correcaminos]

I had to ask my husband. Where I took my kid our insurance was on file. No ID asked for him. My experience obviously is different. No insurance but had to give tax info for payments lol. My husband said no insurance but ID once?

 

[correcaminos]

I was specifically addressing the "high debt" and "uninsured" issues mentioned by someone else. Yes, I think some are unaware that neither of those matter, but I don't think huge numbers of people are.

Sorry, so many things were listed in that post so I was talking about it all.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I had to ask my husband. Where I took my kid our insurance was on file. No ID asked for him. My experience obviously is different. No insurance but had to give tax info for payments lol. My husband said no insurance but ID once?

They didn't ask for any info from our 15-year-old except for the questionnaire about illnesses, etc.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Yeah 100% agree with you here.

But who’s fault is that?

The freaking CDC.

Im also pretty sure they ran it by the man at the top before they announced this.

You expect them to walk this back now ?

I don’t even think they can.

Massive mistake.

Now your going to say, dude your the same guy arguing that masks and social distancing shouldn’t return and your saying getting rid of it was a mistake!

Yes.

I think bringing back the mandates would cause even more chaos then it would prevent.

The genie needed to stay in the bottle and we are out of wishes.

I originally assumed stopping the mask mandate and remove all restrictions was to push people into getting a vaccine. Now i look at it, it does seem political, a rush to appease a certain sect of people who are making alot of noise.

 

[havoc315]

Ummm....there are dozens of Americans who want the vaccine but can't get it for a lot of reasons, like immune deficiency, lack of health insurance not shielding them from surprise bills, high debt, lack of adequate access to medical care as well as skepticism of a system that has screwed them for centuries.

And there a lot more of those in America than there are willing Japanese citizens, so our position is no better if not worse than last year despite the vaccines.

Nonsense. There are very very few Americans who can’t get a vaccine. Most people with immune deficiency can still get it (I’m immune deficient). Costs are not an issue — it is still paid 100% by the government. And you can just walk into any chain pharmacy and get it. There are no excuses anymore.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Hopefully return of indoor mask mandate will be ending very soon by next month or September for California.