correcaminos
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can't say I'm shocked...
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can't say I'm shocked...
TrainsOfDisney
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Not necessarily. Everyone is in a different place in life.
It certainly seems that men under 30 should consider the j&j vaccine with this news.
Israel bringing back their mask mandate.
This is how you aggressively combat and control the virus.
This is how you aggressively combat and control the virus.
DisneyFan32
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I'm scared US will do same and bringing back their mask mandate too soon by July or AugustIsrael bringing back their mask mandate.
This is how you aggressively combat and control the virus.
Horizons '83
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Or delay the inevitableIsrael bringing back their mask mandate.
This is how you aggressively combat and control the virus.
BuddyThomas
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There has never been a national mask mandate. It has only been by individual states and individual businesses. Half the businesses where I live still require masks, and the other half do not, so long as you are fully vaccinated - because no one would lie about that, right? Anyway, all of this could be avoided if people would just get their freaking vaccinations. But they are too scared that they are going to get a chip implanted in their brain or turn into a zombie, so there you have it.I'm scared US will do same and bringing back their mask mandate too soon by July or August
It was another mixed day. The US increased it's average faily case count to 11,672. However we now have 24 states plus the District of Columbia at 2 or less cases per 100k. From Virginia north and Ohio east every state has 2 or less. Yes, the states that killed the US numbers in January are leading us out of the Covid19 disaster. On the otherside are the following 10 states:
Missouri has 12
Nevada has 11
Wyoming has 10
Utah has 10
Arkansas has 10
Florida has 7 but 13.22% of US cases.
Colorado has 7
Louisiana has 7
Arizona has 7
Washington has 6
Every other state is at 5 or less.It is time to call out these 10 states just as in January it was right to call out the Northeast. Once these 10 states do their job and drive the numbers down, the US can correctly claim the Covid19 pandemic is over. We need to get all states down to 2 or less before we claim total victory. We are so close and all that is needed to to follow common sense health rules, WASH YOUR HANDS, COVER YOUR MOUTH WHEN COUGHING OR SNEEZING AND STAY HOME WHEN YOU ARE SICK. It is easy and there are no excuses for not following these 3 simple rules.
Updated to add the fact that these 10 states represents 43.31% of the total US cases.
Missouri has 12
Nevada has 11
Wyoming has 10
Utah has 10
Arkansas has 10
Florida has 7 but 13.22% of US cases.
Colorado has 7
Louisiana has 7
Arizona has 7
Washington has 6
Every other state is at 5 or less.It is time to call out these 10 states just as in January it was right to call out the Northeast. Once these 10 states do their job and drive the numbers down, the US can correctly claim the Covid19 pandemic is over. We need to get all states down to 2 or less before we claim total victory. We are so close and all that is needed to to follow common sense health rules, WASH YOUR HANDS, COVER YOUR MOUTH WHEN COUGHING OR SNEEZING AND STAY HOME WHEN YOU ARE SICK. It is easy and there are no excuses for not following these 3 simple rules.
Updated to add the fact that these 10 states represents 43.31% of the total US cases.
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ABQ
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After seeing the crowds at the ResortsWorld grand opening in Las Vegas last night, I don't think Nevada is concerned.
DisneyCane
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Keep in mind that their record day is 1.8 cases per 100k people. It will be interesting to observe that if they reinstate the indoor mask mandate and NO OTHER MITIGATION if there is a clear correlation to case reduction. However, they are starting so low that I'm not sure any conclusion will be reachable either way.Israel bringing back their mask mandate.
This is how you aggressively combat and control the virus.
As far as this being an example of how to aggressively combat the virus, I would say that it really isn't accomplishing anything. Israel was down to practically no cases (the seven day rolling average hit a low of ten cases according to worldometers.info) and still they started to rise again.
The only way that COVID will be eliminated worldwide is if a high enough percentage of people become immune either through vaccination or natural infection. Even with their pretty high vaccination rate, Israel hasn't reached "enough" yet. At this point, attempting to slow spread among the unvaccinated is just delaying reaching that point.
I certainly agree that people should be following those simple rules. However, there is a fourth rule that they should be following and that is to get vaccinated. All of the double digit states have first dose vaccination rates under 50% of the population. The other "call out" states (with the glaring exception of Louisiana) have 49%-60% rates (I know 49<50 but I think it's close enough to lump in).
It seems clear that there is a stalemate battle going on between the vaccines at the current percentage vaccinated and the Delta variant. Whereas the Delta variant caused a clear surge in the UK, at least to this point it's causing the USA to stop declining but not to surge (at least not yet).
Since the vaccines are incredibly effective at protecting people, I don't see this as a public health policy issue anymore. It is 100% a personal health issue. If you want to make your risk of severe illness from COVID-19 negligible then get vaccinated. As far as children under 12, all statistics show that the risk to them is miniscule so the fact that they can't be vaccinated doesn't change the situation.
They should be because while there are no longer restrictions for visiting a state with 10 or more cases per 100k, there are many of us who will not take vacations to places with high rates. This can become an issue again for Florida if the citizens of Florida don't watch out. As for Nevada. I have no desire to ever visit Lost Wages. I dislike gambling and so the city offers nothing for me. I will never understand the mentality of people gambling with the one exception being a friendly penny any pocker game and not one where the house takes a cut for doing nothing.
DisneyCane
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What percentage of people do you really think are looking at State by State infection rates and deciding not to go places due to them? I'd say that at least 98% of those concerned enough to follow the data on that level are fully vaccinated making their risk extremely low no matter where they go. The unvaccinated (except due to medical reasons) don't really care about COVID so they won't alter plans due to infection rates.
There may be a percentage of people who don't want to bring unvaccinated kids to risky places so maybe there would be a small effect to a place like WDW. I'd guess the majority who would be concerned about their unvaccinated kids are the ones still concerned that COVID still exists that don't feel comfortable going to places with low infection rates and continue to take precautions even though they are fully vaccinated.
Kevin_W
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I do not gamble, but I think Vegas is worth visiting at least once. (It's been 15+ years, but I've been twice for work conferences.) It's so different than any other place on Earth it's worth seeing in person. Plus, there are really good restaurants and shows there as well. Also, there are really nice things nearby like the Red Rock Canyon or even Lake Mead/Hoover Dam. Though equivalent or better outdoor experiences can be had many places in the US.
Chip Chipperson
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Agreed. I've been to Vegas twice and spent all of 10 minutes at a roulette wheel and 10 minutes at a blackjack table while waiting for the shuttle to arrive to take us back to the airport - and I only played blackjack because it was an empty table so I knew nobody would get mad if I "messed up the deck" on them by hitting/not hitting at the wrong time.
The rest of our time was spent on things like a Pink Jeep tour of Red Rock, the Beatles' "Love" Cirque de Soliel show, seeing Penn & Teller perform, seeing exhibits like the Sigfried & Roy dolphin habitat and animal sanctuary and the Titanic exhibit that was on display several years ago, trying different restaurants, and pool time. It's not somewhere I'd visit often like WDW, but once every 5-10 years seems about right to me.
A clear correlation with masking would only be evident if everything else was constant, and masks were flicked on like a switch.
In other words -- If cases are flat, and you go from 0% masking to 100% masking, then you'd expect to see a clear evident reduction in cases.
But cases aren't flat -- They are accelerating. Mitigation measures, such as masking, is like tapping the brakes, not slamming on the brakes. If you tap the brakes while you're going downhill, the car will still accelerate -- just accelerate more slowly.
If you tap the brakes while the car is on a flat surface, the car will slow down. And if you tap the brakes while the car is going uphill, you'll stop pretty quickly.
So right now, Israel's cases are naturally accelerating. So if masks work, the acceleration would slow down, IF you had a big increase in masking.
But this takes us to the second factor -- Mask compliance. Even without a mandate, plenty of Israeli were continuing to wear masks indoors, at least sometimes. And even with a mandate, many Israelis will go about maskless, at least sometimes.
So bringing back the mask mandate won't drive masking from 0% to 100%. More like, maybe it drives masking from 40% to 50%.
So it's just a tap on the brakes. A tap on the brakes will help. But a tap on the brakes, alone, won't be enough to cause a reversal in case increases.
The point I agree on, is that Israel hasn't vaccinated "enough" to protect against Delta. Given they are similar in size, population and population density to several US states, they can be an interesting model for our future. '
It's widely acknowledged that low vaccination American regions may be in danger of surges. But as shown in Israel, even areas in the US that are doing well, still may not have done enough to fully protect from Delta. We need higher vaccination everywhere.
70% of adults was a good mile marker, but it shouldn't have been the end. We should be pursuing much higher than that. (which is why we should have enforced vaccine passports, but too late now).
The only way that the US is going to increase much beyond 70% of eligible is via the unvaccinated dying. There are simply too many “enlightened” people who refuse to accept this miracle and it is politically impossible to make them. It looks like Delta is going to help killing those people off however; we are literally watching Evolution happen before our eyes.
ABQ
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If that were the future, why aren't the deaths in the UK skyrocketing? Even with a lag of deaths behind the cases, surely they'd be showing a massive death rate increase due to Delta by now?
We can still nudge upward. Full FDA approval may convince a few fence sitters. Case growth with Delta may convince some people in rural communities who are just getting their first taste of a Covid surge.
But I definitely would agree that getting 80-90% seems like an impossibility.
DisneyCane
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The only State that is really comparable to Israel in size, population and population density is maybe New Jersey. All others are very different from Israel in at least one of those variables. I agree that it would be good to have higher vaccination rates but I'd prefer incentives (something like get a stimulus check if you get vaccinated) to punishments like vaccine passports to accomplish the higher rates.
Except that the least vaccinated group is also the least likely group to end up with a serious illness or dying from Delta or any other variant to date. I agree that the US is unlikely to get much higher than 70%. The large State with the population most likely to get vaccinated is California and even they are just barely over 70% eligible.
What I find fascinating is there was a poll that (going off memory) something like 80% of 18-30 year olds thought that vaccination should be mandatory for 18-30 year olds yet less than half of that number have gotten vaccinated. I may be slightly off on the exact age range and percentage but it was close to that.
People are sick and tired of masks. Compare California, New York and Florida. If masks, lockdowns, distancing worked then why are the rates of deaths/infections approx the same in both states? Florida has a much larger elderly population so again, if these measures actually made a difference then we in Florida would have the biggest spike in the country. If people want to mask then they should be free to do so. As for the rest of us the value of a damp sweaty mask removed and touched multiple times per wearing is null.I'm scared US will do same and bringing back their mask mandate too soon by July or August
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated
Nearly every death in the US due to Covid is happening to the unvaccinated, given enough time, assuming Covid continues to circulate, it will kill enough of them. It may take years, but give it time.
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