Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GimpYancIent]

Very good question about Cruise Lines. I dont know.

They do operate under different laws. So this might not efffect them

COVID19 visa's. Wanna Get Away? Get your actual passport vaccination stamped! Voila!

 

[disneygeek90]

The issue with vaccination passports is that they would affect people on the ship when out at sea, not just at the docks, like gambling.

I'm not sure I follow. What would be the potentially "illegal" part is requiring the passport while on Florida soil. Once out at sea it wouldn't matter, but the hassle would be over the initial load.

 

[Mark52479]

I'm not sure I follow. What would be the potentially "illegal" part is requiring the passport while on Florida soil. Once out at sea it wouldn't matter, but the hassle would be over the initial load.

But is the Cruise line operating under a Florida Business license while at port?

If not, the law would NOT apply to them

Its a question I dont have the answer to.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

In February 2020, Fauci did say we didn’t need masks, we should be focused more on the flu, and we had nothing to worry about with covid. He had to change his tune because well, frankly, he ended up being wrong.

Disease Expert: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus

The novel coronavirus is not an immediate threat to people here in the United States, and the federal government aims to keep it that way.

www.mynews13.com

There have been other times he’s had to provide best guesses, as unfortunately right now Covid isn’t exactly well studied under traditional scientific processes. I definitely respect his advice, and don’t think he’s a moron. I do think he’s a human: and guess what? Humans, even scientists, are wrong at times! But no need for the personal attacks and so on. If public trust eroded because of his mistakes, so be it. But I still give due consideration to his words. Because he does care and is not a Gorn part of the NWO trying to prolong the pandemic to gain money in the potatoes market.

That article is from February 15, 2020 - when, as he states in the interview, there were 15 total known cases in the country and it was believed that all positive patients were being isolated and contact-traced. If anyone is going to hold that against him then they're just grasping at straws to justify their opinions.

 

[mmascari]

Disney has no choice but to comply, fight it, or move out of Florida.

Do you get special movers for the Spaceship Earth, like a piano mover? Or, can the normal ones handle it? Bubble wrap or just blankets to protect it? What's the full replacement value insurance cost for something like this? Just $0.60 per pound seems foolish, unless they're moving the asphalt too.

 

[SamusAranX]

Because if they don't, I'm sure other states would be glad to host them.

Problem for them is Florida provides year round departures. They won’t get that luxury in other states. And even they could get people to depart cruises from say NYC in sub freezing temps, that adds more travel time to the Caribbean

 

[SamusAranX]

That article is from February 15, 2020 - when, as he states in the interview, there were 15 total known cases in the country and it was believed that all positive patients were being isolated and contact-traced. If anyone is going to hold that against him then they're just grasping at straws to justify their opinions.

Please read my other posts

 

[Tony Perkis]

85% is a number that will never be seen.

Never said it would, but no reason not to take 70% as a baseline.

The issue with simply saying we have to hit 70% or 85% outright is that too many people believe they can be part of that 15-30% that don’t have sufficient antibodies. Which is why the messaging should be, until we get closer to that threshold, that it’s important to keep getting everyone vaccinated. Don’t give people the go-ahead to exclude themselves outright.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Problem for them is Florida provides year round departures. They won’t get that luxury in other states. And even they could get people to depart cruises from say NYC in sub freezing temps, that adds more travel time to the Caribbean

Well, I wouldn't have suggested NYC. Eep. Just some other southern state not quite as balmy but still below the Mason-Dixon line.

EDIT: Oh wow, I had no idea how far up that line goes! Ok, so not Florida but further down than the Mason-Dixon!

 

[Tony Perkis]

Here’s one of the esteemed TV news guest’s finer gems.

"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent."

The man’s a bumbling buffoon. The only thing he’s good at is appearing in front of a camera. The fact you have such faith in him is quite sad.

Everything in that quote is perfectly reasonable. The higher the chances of people getting vaccinated, the higher the goal for herd immunity should be. The number should be evolving, as that gives up the best fighting chance to eradicate this thing and end the pandemic once and for all. 70% gives us a decent chance at herd immunity. Don’t stop there if the number of people willing to get vaccinated increases over time; 90% gives us much more certainty.

I don’t know why people such as yourself discount such simple theories such as math and probabilities.

 

[Tony Perkis]

I know right, Stupid Texas made Michigan, NY and NJ spike. Very reckless of them.

Considering Texas was a hotspot for Spring Break due to it purposely fully opening before Spring Break, this gotcha doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny.

 

[sullyinMT]

Well, I wouldn't have suggested NYC. Eep. Just some other southern state not quite as balmy but still below the Mason-Dixon line.

EDIT: Oh wow, I had no idea how far up that line goes! Ok, so not Florida but further down than the Mason-Dixon!

Problem is a lot of southern states with sea ports are pulling this same power trip over the businesses they claimed to want to protect last year.

No wonder so many are disenchanted with our political mess.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Because if they don't, I'm sure other states would be glad to host them.

Sounds like the perfect time for Georgia and Puerto Rico to step up as a cruise departure point.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Sounds like the perfect time for Georgia and Puerto Rico to step up as a cruise departure point.

Isn't Galveston currently being the big departure point?

 

[Parker in NYC]

Problem is a lot of southern states with sea ports are pulling this same power trip over the businesses they claimed to protect last year.

No wonder so many are disenchanted with our political mess.

But what if they hear they could pull business away from Florida? Is it still worth playing politics if it means leaving money on the table? The vocal minority who say they won't get on a cruise ship if it dare tell them to provide proof of vaccination can sit it out while the rest of us who want to actually get back to normal can get our cruise back on. Polls are one thing but money talks.

 

[sullyinMT]

But is the Cruise line operating under a Florida Business license while at port?

If not, the law would NOT apply to them

Its a question I dont have the answer to.

Just as important, IMO: does state department authority override the state? If the CDC and whatever federal authority necessary make DCL’s summer UK sailings the model, would FL be forced to comply?

Sounds like the perfect time for Georgia and Puerto Rico to step up as a cruise departure point.

A stop at River City Sweets in Savannah or a good bowl of mofongo in San Juan pre-cruise sounds ideal for vacation weight gain! Sign me up.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 72 new reported deaths, along with 4 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[sullyinMT]

But what if they hear they could pull business away from Florida? Is it still worth playing politics if it means leaving money on the table? The vocal minority who says they won't get on a cruise ship if it dare tell them to provide proof of vaccination can sit it out while the rest of us who want to actually get back to normal can get our cruise back on. Polls are one thing but money talks.

. It’s akin to the “carrot” I suggested HHS hold over states’ heads re: funding if they don’t participate in a national ALL vaccine database.

 

[Chi84]

I'm not sure I follow. What would be the potentially "illegal" part is requiring the passport while on Florida soil. Once out at sea it wouldn't matter, but the hassle would be over the initial load.

It would affect the business of the cruise line outside of Florida if some passengers were unvaccinated and allowed on ship while those from other ports were required to be vaccinated.

 

[disneygeek90]

It would affect the business of the cruise line outside of Florida if some passengers were unvaccinated and allowed on ship while those from other ports were required to be vaccinated.

Ahh, I see. Yes. And not a distinction the lines are likely okay with.