Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chi84]

People in Illinois are reacting to two pieces of bad news: the rate of vaccinations has dropped more than 20% in the last two weeks and the CDC’s revised guidelines for vaccinated people are beyond disappointing - allowing pretty much what people are already doing.

The federal government doesn’t want to get involved in a national system of vaccine verification, but it may need to do so if the main thing preventing vaccinated people from dropping restrictions is that unvaccinated people could be lying.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

People in Illinois are reacting to two pieces of bad news: the rate of vaccinations has dropped more than 20% in the last two weeks and the CDC’s revised guidelines for vaccinated people are beyond disappointing - allowing pretty much what people are already doing.

The federal government doesn’t want to get involved in a national system of vaccine verification, but it may need to do so if the main thing preventing vaccinated people from dropping restrictions is that unvaccinated people could be lying.

People have already been lying about testing positive. If anyone thinks they won't lie about being vaccinated, I've got a bridge to sell them.

 

[LittleBuford]

And while it's easy to dismiss that as just a small number of idiots, this is where the real damage comes. Nothing the CDC could ever say would have as much impact.

Spotify’s Joe Rogan encourages "healthy" 21-year-olds not to get a coronavirus vaccine

www.mediamatters.org

This is the kind of media we need to disparage, not the news for supposedly exaggerating the effects of the virus. Rogan has a lot to answer for.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[ImperfectPixie]

This is the kind of media we need to disparage, not the news for supposedly exaggerating the effects of the virus. Rogan has a lot to answer for.

So does FOX. And OANN and Newsmax.

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

If the only proof was the cashier asking people and taking their word. Would you take your kids to that movie with no mitigations to eat popcorn and have a normal movie?

Yes! We have been doing activities as much as we can through all this. Kids deserve a childhood and since the dawn of time that has always meant accepting a small level of risk.

In my opinion we have become prisoners of too much information. The universe laughs at our demands for a risk-free reality.

 

[Incomudro]

People have already been lying about testing positive. If anyone thinks they won't lie about being vaccinated, I've got a bridge to sell them.

But there's a form of proof for vaccinations.

 

[monothingie]

People in Illinois are reacting to two pieces of bad news: the rate of vaccinations has dropped more than 20% in the last two weeks and the CDC’s revised guidelines for vaccinated people are beyond disappointing - allowing pretty much what people are already doing.

The federal government doesn’t want to get involved in a national system of vaccine verification, but it may need to do so if the main thing preventing vaccinated people from dropping restrictions is that unvaccinated people could be lying.

What’s the saying… you can lead a horse to water but not make them drink.

Everyone has the tools (vaccine) at their disposal, at some point the individual has to be responsible for their own choices, actions, or inactions.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

But there's a form of proof for vaccinations.

So, say you have a friend who you know isn't honest all the time. You ask him if he's been vaccinated. He says yes. You gonna ask for proof even though it could tick him off?

 

[Patcheslee]

People in Illinois are reacting to two pieces of bad news: the rate of vaccinations has dropped more than 20% in the last two weeks and the CDC’s revised guidelines for vaccinated people are beyond disappointing - allowing pretty much what people are already doing.

The federal government doesn’t want to get involved in a national system of vaccine verification, but it may need to do so if the main thing preventing vaccinated people from dropping restrictions is that unvaccinated people could be lying.

Looking at reported inventories some counties are reporting 0 inventory at Local sites or health partners. 3 counties have none.

 

[Incomudro]

This is the kind of media we need to disparage, not the news for supposedly exaggerating the effects of the virus. Rogan has a lot to answer for.

He said if you're healthy, about 21 years of age, eat right, and exercise.
Most 21 year old's don't fall into that category.
Where I disagree with him a bit is that such people could still spread it, and getting the message out that reducing spread via vaccinations should be encouraged.

 

[Chi84]

Looking at reported inventories some counties are reporting 0 inventory at Local sites or health partners. 3 counties have none.

There are reports that some other counties have been refusing their federal allotment.

 

[Incomudro]

So, say you have a friend who you know isn't honest all the time. You ask him if he's been vaccinated. He says yes. You gonna ask for proof even though it could tick him off?

As far as me personally, I don't have any friends that would lie to me about being vaccinated just to hang around with me.
And if I did, and was that concerned - I would ask that person for their card.
But what I was actually getting at was things like ticked events and places.
Such places could in theory require proof of vaccination.

 

[GoofGoof]

I feel like if the CDC or the Federal Government would come out and tell people "If we can get to 70% or more vaccinated we can relax mask rules for the majority of the nation.", I think more people might jump on board getting vaccinated. And a concrete number or timeframe is the hope that alot of people might need right now.

Yes. This is exactly what should happen. Trying to listen to both sides I’m hearing one side say that we can’t remove restrictions and return to normal unless cases come way down to a reasonable level. The other side is saying what‘s the point of getting vaccinated if we need to continue to act mostly the same after getting it. They claim if we were told we could drop all covid restrictions once vaccinated mostly everyone would get the vaccine. I think the perfect compromise is to set a finite goal of reaching a percent vaccinated. As long as you pick a vaccination rate that’s high enough you almost guarantee cases will be plenty low enough and the vaccine hesitant crowd can see a finite end to the restrictions if they just take the jab.

I would be careful to set a percent of the eligible population not total population unless you adjust down for the 25% of the population who are not eligible yet. So right now 93% of eligible people would need to be vaccinated to get to 70% of the population. That’s not going to happen any time soon or ever. A reasonable goal is probably 70% of the eligible population vaccinated. Once the 12-15 year olds amendment is approved 70% of eligible people is around 196M Americans. We are at 142M with at least 1 shot. 54M more people and probably 20M come from the 12-17 age group so likely 34M more adults. That’s very doable. That would also get us over 60% of the total population which is slightly higher than Israel is at today for 1 shot and we‘ve seen the great results there.

On timing if a firm goal is set and more hesitant people come in as well as kids 12-15 we have the capacity to blow though 54M new doses before the end of May. At the current pace it would likely take into June with 3-4 weeks for shot 2. Assuming the pace picks up again, by July 4th we could reach the 70% of eligible Americans fully vaccinated and lift all restrictions nationwide. The beauty of the plan is that how long we have to wait to get back to normal rests solely on the shoulders of those who aren’t vaccinated yet. Put your money where your mouth is and get the shots and we all get to throw away the masks and go back to normal. No excuses.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

He said if you're healthy, about 21 years of age, eat right, and exercise.
Most 21 year old's don't fall into that category.
Where I disagree with him a bit is that such people could still spread it, and getting the message out that reducing spread via vaccinations should be encouraged.

I disagree with him because

#1 We're in a world-wide pandemic
#2 We need as many people to be vaccinated as humanly possible - especially with large numbers either refusing to vaccinate for "reasons", or skipping their second shot.
#3 How many 21-year-old's do think WOULDN'T categorize themselves as healthy? I think most would simply because they don't have any obvious health issues.

 

[LittleBuford]

He said if you're healthy, about 21 years of age, eat right, and exercise.

I know he said that. That doesn’t make his “advice” any less stupid. All those who are eligible for it, regardless of how fit they may be, should be urged to get the vaccine, and anyone discouraging them from doing so is helping to perpetuate the pandemic.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

As far as me personally, I don't have any friends that would lie to me about being vaccinated just to hang around with me.
And if I did, and was that concerned - I would ask that person for their card.
But what I was actually getting at was things like ticked events and places.
Such places could in theory require proof of vaccination.

Doesn't the EO in Florida prevent exactly that?

 

[GoofGoof]

They need to be 100% crystal clear. Not 70% or more adults - 70% or more of the total population.

That’s an unrealistic goal. 93% of people eligible today would need to be vaccinated to reach 70% of the population. That’s not going to happen, ever. Israel right now is seeing their cases essentially approach zero with 55% of their population fully vaccinated. If we want to look at total population then 55-60% is probably a realistic goal.

 

[CosmicRays]

Yes. This is exactly what should happen. Trying to listen to both sides I’m hearing one side say that we can’t remove restrictions and return to normal unless cases come way down to a reasonable level. The other side is saying what‘s the point of getting vaccinated if we need to continue to act mostly the same after getting it. They claim if we were told we could drop all covid restrictions once vaccinated mostly everyone would get the vaccine. I think the perfect compromise is to set a finite goal of reaching a percent vaccinated. As long as you pick a vaccination rate that’s high enough you almost guarantee cases will be plenty low enough and the vaccine hesitant crowd can see a finite end to the restrictions if they just take the jab.

I would be careful to set a percent of the eligible population not total population unless you adjust down for the 25% of the population who are not eligible yet. So right now 93% of eligible people would need to be vaccinated to get to 70% of the population. That’s not going to happen any time soon or ever. A reasonable goal is probably 70% of the eligible population vaccinated. Once the 12-15 year olds amendment is approved 70% of eligible people is around 196M Americans. We are at 142M with at least 1 shot. 54M more people and probably 20M come from the 12-17 age group so likely 34M more adults. That’s very doable. That would also get us over 60% of the total population which is slightly higher than Israel is at today for 1 shot and we‘ve seen the great results there.

On timing if a firm goal is set and more hesitant people come in as well as kids 12-15 we have the capacity to blow though 54M new doses before the end of May. At the current pace it would likely take into June with 3-4 weeks for shot 2. Assuming the pace picks up again, by July 4th we could reach the 70% of eligible Americans fully vaccinated and lift all restrictions nationwide. The beauty of the plan is that how long we have to wait to get back to normal rests solely on the shoulders of those who aren’t vaccinated yet. Put your money where your mouth is and get the shots and we all get to throw away the masks and go back to normal. No excuses.

Yep agree on all points. Its the lack of a concrete message that is causing the difference in rules and regulations nationwide IMO. The director of the CDC and Biden need to have a joint State of the Union style presentation in primetime and lay out exactly what the path to normalcy looks like. Its been the lack of "good" communication for the past year from all the people in charge that is causing some people hesitancy.

 

[disneygeek90]

Yes. This is exactly what should happen. Trying to listen to both sides I’m hearing one side say that we can’t remove restrictions and return to normal unless cases come way down to a reasonable level. The other side is saying what‘s the point of getting vaccinated if we need to continue to act mostly the same after getting it. They claim if we were told we could drop all covid restrictions once vaccinated mostly everyone would get the vaccine. I think the perfect compromise is to set a finite goal of reaching a percent vaccinated. As long as you pick a vaccination rate that’s high enough you almost guarantee cases will be plenty low enough and the vaccine hesitant crowd can see a finite end to the restrictions if they just take the jab.

I would be careful to set a percent of the eligible population not total population unless you adjust down for the 25% of the population who are not eligible yet. So right now 93% of eligible people would need to be vaccinated to get to 70% of the population. That’s not going to happen any time soon or ever. A reasonable goal is probably 70% of the eligible population vaccinated. Once the 12-15 year olds amendment is approved 70% of eligible people is around 196M Americans. We are at 142M with at least 1 shot. 54M more people and probably 20M come from the 12-17 age group so likely 34M more adults. That’s very doable. That would also get us over 60% of the total population which is slightly higher than Israel is at today for 1 shot and we‘ve seen the great results there.

On timing if a firm goal is set and more hesitant people come in as well as kids 12-15 we have the capacity to blow though 54M new doses before the end of May. At the current pace it would likely take into June with 3-4 weeks for shot 2. Assuming the pace picks up again, by July 4th we could reach the 70% of eligible Americans fully vaccinated and lift all restrictions nationwide. The beauty of the plan is that how long we have to wait to get back to normal rests solely on the shoulders of those who aren’t vaccinated yet. Put your money where your mouth is and get the shots and we all get to throw away the masks and go back to normal. No excuses.

MLB had an agreement in place that if 85% of staff and players were vaxed they could loosen restrictions in clubhouses. To that effect, many teams have already reached that benchmark. There was a concrete "reward" that I think is being lost on the general public at the moment.