Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[havoc315]

I think it’s possible the CDC revises their mask guidance to say masks are only recommended when indoors. It could be part of their step down to no masks. I know it makes things harder for Disney to enforce but if they follow CDC recommendations they could alter the policy. I agree that it is more likely that they just wait until masks aren’t needed anymore anywhere but it really depends on how long that takes.

CDC changes are being leaked, likely to be released later this week.
It’s anticipated to be:
- wear a mask for the foreseeable future
- continue social distancing
-small gatherings in the home among fully vaccinated individuals can be safe without masks.

The question is, does every state and nearly every business run out of patience with masks before the CDC lifts the guideline.

I don’t expect any major changes to CDC guidelines for general public behavior before summer.

 

[CatesMom]

So happy that my parents in Texas have already received both doses. My sister and her family will just have to tough it out.

Surprise! My sister and her husband managed to find vaccine appointments for tomorrow (how does that even happen?), so they will be ready for maskless Texas, too.

 

[GoofGoof]

CDC changes are being leaked, likely to be released later this week.
It’s anticipated to be:
- wear a mask for the foreseeable future
- continue social distancing
-small gatherings in the home among fully vaccinated individuals can be safe without masks.

The question is, does every state and nearly every business run out of patience with masks before the CDC lifts the guideline.

I don’t expect any major changes to CDC guidelines for general public behavior before summer.

Yeah, I didn’t mean the CDC would change it now or any time soon. Only 15% of people have started the vaccination process. I was referring to the possibility that there could be a step down in the future from full masks any time you gather in public to masks only when indoors and in public. If that change did occur that would be when Disney could change their mask policy. If that change never happens from the CDC I don’t see Disney going against the CDC recommendations so they would likely just keep mask all the time until they are gone.

 

[GoofGoof]

A year ago the hospitals were empty and laying off staff and you were all as happy as pigs in a blanket about the lockdowns. 8 months ago you were all screaming about death panels and rationing of care... which by the way didn't happen.

What will happen next....hmm. Your guy get elected and the future is bright even though he had absolutely NOTHING to do with the vaccine roll out. It's laughable.

What does any of that have to do with what I posted about the UK variant?

 

[Incomudro]

The impact will be on people working. If you are a server in a restaurant at half capacity vs one that is 100%, you're risk of exposure goes up. If your boss told you to wear a mask before, and now is telling you not to (because you know there will be bosses that do that) your exposure goes up. And Texas is not prioritizing essential workers for vaccines.

Most servers are young, they'll be fine - as they have been during this entire pandemic which was never much at all for them to be concerned about anyway.

 

[Miss Bella]

What does any of that have to do with what I posted about the UK variant?

I guess it's just the whole change in tone that is perplexing to me.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Yeah, I didn’t mean the CDC would change it now or any time soon. Only 15% of people have started the vaccination process. I was referring to the possibility that there could be a step down in the future from full masks any time you gather in public to masks only when indoors and in public. If that change did occur that would be when Disney could change their mask policy. If that change never happens from the CDC I don’t see Disney going against the CDC recommendations so they would likely just keep mask all the time until they are gone.

is CDC will remove their guidelines for good after many people got vaccine and low cases by summer?

 

[Touchdown]

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Already dipping down again. I’m going to wait to claim victory until this weekend, but early signs point to last weeks blip being due to the storm. Also I fully expect the slope to lessen soon because that’s just the nature of viral spread, we can’t sustain a 60% slope forever, but I expect the National numbers to do what happened in the Midwest and slow to a 20-33% downward trend.

 

[havoc315]

Yeah, I didn’t mean the CDC would change it now or any time soon. Only 15% of people have started the vaccination process. I was referring to the possibility that there could be a step down in the future from full masks any time you gather in public to masks only when indoors and in public. If that change did occur that would be when Disney could change their mask policy. If that change never happens from the CDC I don’t see Disney going against the CDC recommendations so they would likely just keep mask all the time until they are gone.

Agreed. And masks indoors certainly would be a greater priority than masks outdoors where you have so much more air circulation.

Really though... we are going to hit an inflection point in all likelihood. We will hit a point sometime between May and August where there is plenty of vaccine, but not enough demand.
Hopefully, we will be at herd immunity, numbers will be truly dwindling, 95% lower than they are now. And lifting restrictions is an easy call.

But what happens if vaccine demand is slowing.. we still have 25,000-50,000 cases per day, still have 500 deaths per day. Voluntary vaccination. Has largely stalled. If we get to that point, does the CDC continue “masks for foreseeable future” or is there a point of, “that’s the best we are going to do.. so guess no point in many restrictions.”

I’ve been an optimist about reaching herd immunity. But do fear there may be too much vaccine hesitancy. And I’m seeing restrictions lifted too quickly, which will make it harder to reach that finish line.
I do see a very real chance the public will be completely out of patience, potentially where we can’t last a few extra weeks / months to a finish line.

 

[GoofGoof]

Already dipping down again. I’m going to wait to claim victory until this weekend, but early signs point to last weeks blip being due to the storm. Also I fully expect the slope to lessen soon because that’s just the nature of viral spread, we can’t sustain a 60% slope forever, but I expect the National numbers to do what happened in the Midwest and slow to a 20-33% downward trend.

Yeah, its a downward trend, even with some ups and downs it is still moving in the right direction. The vaccine should start having an impact soon too. If we pull back too soon on restrictions that could slow progress. I hope people just hold out a little longer. In a few months we will have enough doses for every adult. The light at the end of the tunnel is in view.

 

[GoofGoof]

Agreed. And masks indoors certainly would be a greater priority than masks outdoors where you have so much more air circulation.

Really though... we are going to hit an inflection point in all likelihood. We will hit a point sometime between May and August where there is plenty of vaccine, but not enough demand.
Hopefully, we will be at herd immunity, numbers will be truly dwindling, 95% lower than they are now. And lifting restrictions is an easy call.

But what happens if vaccine demand is slowing.. we still have 25,000-50,000 cases per day, still have 500 deaths per day. Voluntary vaccination. Has largely stalled. If we get to that point, does the CDC continue “masks for foreseeable future” or is there a point of, “that’s the best we are going to do.. so guess no point in many restrictions.”

I’ve been an optimist about reaching herd immunity. But do fear there may be too much vaccine hesitancy. And I’m seeing restrictions lifted too quickly, which will make it harder to reach that finish line.
I do see a very real chance the public will be completely out of patience, potentially where we can’t last a few extra weeks / months to a finish line.

We will eventually run out of people to infect. If 80% of adults take the vaccine that only leaves the 20% who didn’t to infect each other plus anyone that the vaccine didn’t work. Of the 20% some will be naturally immune and that number will increase over time, but should be enough to offset anyone who isn’t immune from the vaccine. That should make it difficult for the virus to circulate. If we somehow only get to 50% vaccinated that could be a problem but in that case vaccine Passports should become the norm for a lot of activities.

 

[Miss Bella]

We will eventually run out of people to infect. If 80% of adults take the vaccine that only leaves the 20% who didn’t to infect each other plus anyone that the vaccine didn’t work. Of the 20% some will be naturally immune and that number will increase over time, but should be enough to offset anyone who isn’t immune from the vaccine. That should make it difficult for the virus to circulate. If we somehow only get to 50% vaccinated that could be a problem but in that case vaccine Passports should become the norm for a lot of activities.

80% will not take the vaccine unless they face a firing squad... and that could happen. 80% of healthcare workers won't even take the vaccine.

 

[DisneyFan32]

When masks and social distancing will go away for good? 2-3 months?

 

[Touchdown]

When masks and social distancing will go away for good? 2-3 months?

Sadly, while He is omnipotent and omnipresent and thus knows of this thread God has chosen to not reply to this thread and let us know of His master plan to date. Until He does, us mortals have no clue.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Now E3 2021 live event, San Diego Comic Con 2021 are postpone to next year, is NYCC 2021 will be still happen now?

wait SDCC was cancelled again??

 

[havoc315]

We will eventually run out of people to infect. If 80% of adults take the vaccine that only leaves the 20% who didn’t to infect each other plus anyone that the vaccine didn’t work. Of the 20% some will be naturally immune and that number will increase over time, but should be enough to offset anyone who isn’t immune from the vaccine. That should make it difficult for the virus to circulate. If we somehow only get to 50% vaccinated that could be a problem but in that case vaccine Passports should become the norm for a lot of activities.

I do wonder whether we will have the stomach for fairly strict vaccine passports. If we truly needed vaccine passports for many common activities, it sighs drive up vaccination numbers and make public gatherings safer.

Absent passports, I really just don’t know what degree of vaccine hesitancy we will face. I’m certainly hoping we can hit 80-85% of adults. But I can also imagine it being in the 60% ballpark.
Comparisons to Israel are imperfect, different cultural attitudes, but as they’ve hit 50% receiving their first shot, their rate of vaccination has slowed significantly.
In late January, they were averaging almost 200k jabs per day, they are now averaging under 100k. And they are starting to really rely on vaccine passports.

As to the natural immunity for the non-vaccinated. Some truth there but hard to measure the degree. Likely, between 20-30% of Americans have been infected. But many of those infections may have been many months ago. Don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, don’t know how well it will protect against variants.

Yes, if we hit 80% of adults... it may be more like 85% thanks to natural immunity. But if we only vaccinate 60-65% of Americans, that still leaves a huge pool to get sick.

Ao I’m hoping we can get to higher numbers voluntarily. In the alternative, hope we have the political courage for vaccine passports.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

This shocks you miss lockdown death panel girl?

um wut.

 

[lazyboy97o]

um wut.

Someone wants to play the victim card, again.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Yes, if we hit 80% of adults... it may be mire like 85% thanks to natural immunity. But if we only vaccinate 60-65% of Americans, that still leaves a huge pool to get sick.

Exactly this.

 

[Miss Bella]

um wut.

You're shocked that they cancelled an event? You were calling for this stuff a year ago.