Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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Fraud or no fraud it’s not something we will know about for years.
No, it is something we would know about right now. It is something that involves thousands of doctors all acting secretly and illegally for the thrill of engaging in illegal activity. It has somehow been told to lots of people who are “friends” with so and so. Then there are all the “friends” who are suing because their relative died of something else but the hospital wrote COVID on the death certificate.
 

DisneyCane

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On Friday, Governor Desantis made a small, but important to some people, change to the executive order that covers the administration of Vaccines. The following was added:

In addition to hospital providers, physicians licensed under Chapters 458 and 459, Florida Statutes, may also vaccinate persons whom they deem to be extremely vulnerable to COVID-19, and advanced practice registered nurses licensed under Chapter 464, Florida Statutes, and pharmacists licensed under Chapter 465, Florida Statutes, may vaccinate persons determined by a physician to be extremely vulnerable to COVID- 19.

Essentially it means that if you have a comorbidity that puts you at extremely high risk from COVID-19, your doctor can write a prescription that allows you to get vaccinated. I know @Polkadotdress was able to get an appointment from the time Walmart made an error but other people in similar situations now have more options than to just go to a hospital that has vaccines available.
 

eliza61nyc

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There have been several severe cases of "misrepresentation," for lack of a better term. I don't know if they meet the criteria for fraud, and I don't know whether the people pushing the stories were lying on purpose or just genuinely mistaken. They were not large enough in quantity to alter the statistics, but they got enough media coverage to alter The Narrative.

For example, there was an infant in Connecticut who suffocated and died from either improper bedding or being rolled over by an parent, the details are fuzzy. However, the infant tested positive for COVID and the case was reported as a COVID death for months by every major local and national publication. While you're correct that one miscategorized death isn't going to distort the excess mortality figures, the headline "Connecticut infant dies of coronavirus" has a real impact on the behavior and psyche of the population (and politicians enacting lockdown/mitigation procedures).

We've seen these types of "noble lies" throughout the pandemic. Statistically, COVID kills people who are very old and/or very sick. Not exclusively, but primarily and overwhelmingly. That's the fact. But Fauci and the governors want young and healthy people to take it seriously, so they push the outlier stories of the young and healthy people who get sick as if those are typical cases.

Kids have been at practically zero risk. Healthy people have been at practically zero risk. The vaccines are extremely effective. Those are all "The Science." But they deliberately hide "The Science" that's good news because they don't want people to let their guard down.
It's not only Fauci and the governors. the problem is not that they "hide" the science, the problem is human behaviour being what it is people extrapolate incorrectly. Young folks (and I have 3 in my household) don't die BUT they are a large portion of the population walking around asymptomatic with the ability to infect and kill. So in essence they are sick. and my evidence hits home from my nephew who decided to go to a small nye celebration and consequently infected his entire nuclear family.

One of the reasons this pandemic has gone on for so long is because people DON'T take it seriously. why? because of that exact narrative. oh it's only killing old people so why do I have to ____ fill in the blank.

Youth and wisdom have not been known to hang out together so many times with the so called young and healthy it takes a two by four up against the head for them to take any thing seriously (lol, cue all the folks here who's kids where perfect since day one)

So again unfortunately with covid it's not only about the old and very sick.
 

DisneyCane

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No, it is something we would know about right now. It is something that involves thousands of doctors all acting secretly and illegally for the thrill of engaging in illegal activity. It has somehow been told to lots of people who are “friends” with so and so. Then there are all the “friends” who are suing because their relative died of something else but the hospital wrote COVID on the death certificate.
There would be nothing to sue for. Whatever gets put on a death certificate doesn't create damages unless they put suicide and the deceased had a life insurance policy that didn't cover suicide or something like that. You can't win a lawsuit if there isn't some kind of damages to sue for. You can file but it would be an awful lot of expense to incur for no reason.
 

CaptainAmerica

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It's not only Fauci and the governors. the problem is not that they "hide" the science, the problem is human behaviour being what it is people extrapolate incorrectly. Young folks (and I have 3 in my household) don't die BUT they are a large portion of the population walking around asymptomatic with the ability to infect and kill. So in essence they are sick. and my evidence hits home from my nephew who decided to go to a small nye celebration and consequently infected his entire nuclear family.

One of the reasons this pandemic has gone on for so long is because people DON'T take it seriously. why? because of that exact narrative. oh it's only killing old people so why do I have to ____ fill in the blank.

Youth and wisdom have not been known to hang out together so many times with the so called young and healthy it takes a two by four up against the head for them to take any thing seriously (lol, cue all the folks here who's kids where perfect since day one)

So again unfortunately with covid it's not only about the old and very sick.
Your post is saying "yes they're lying to us, but I'm okay with that and here's why."

At least that's an honest take.
 

DisneyCane

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It's not only Fauci and the governors. the problem is not that they "hide" the science, the problem is human behaviour being what it is people extrapolate incorrectly. Young folks (and I have 3 in my household) don't die BUT they are a large portion of the population walking around asymptomatic with the ability to infect and kill. So in essence they are sick. and my evidence hits home from my nephew who decided to go to a small nye celebration and consequently infected his entire nuclear family.

One of the reasons this pandemic has gone on for so long is because people DON'T take it seriously. why? because of that exact narrative. oh it's only killing old people so why do I have to ____ fill in the blank.

Youth and wisdom have not been known to hang out together so many times with the so called young and healthy it takes a two by four up against the head for them to take any thing seriously (lol, cue all the folks here who's kids where perfect since day one)

So again unfortunately with covid it's not only about the old and very sick.

The science seems to be showing that people who are truly asymptomatic are not a significant source of spread. People who are presymptomatic are.
 

lazyboy97o

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There would be nothing to sue for. Whatever gets put on a death certificate doesn't create damages unless they put suicide and the deceased had a life insurance policy that didn't cover suicide or something like that. You can't win a lawsuit if there isn't some kind of damages to sue for. You can file but it would be an awful lot of expense to incur for no reason.
I’m aware but that is the story that several posters here and I’ve even seen elsewhere have claimed as evidence of the fraud.
 

Heppenheimer

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Most of the time we don’t get to decide, the ER/PCPs do. The only thing we can do for those is get them back out ASAP.
True, but back when I did the job (long before COVID), I was able to argue away some inappropriate admits. You win some, but you lose most.
 

Chip Chipperson

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I’m not saying there’s any fraud related to Covid. I have no way of knowing that I just know some these large health companies that own hospitals all over the country arent strangers to shady behavior.
It’s the DOJ that investigates and fines them. Most of the time tipped off by a whistleblower in the company. It’s not something a Governor would be keeping tabs on.

It just seems like certain "move along people, nothing to see here" states would have more potential whistle-blowers and the DOJ under the prior administration would have incentive to investigate and prosecute those cases - and yet I've not seen any indication that any of that has happened and nobody who touts the conspiracy theory can ever explain where all those extra deaths came from. These alleged whistle-blowers have no problem telling family, friends, and neighbors (and strangers on social media and Disney message boards, for example) "what's really going on" but seem to be refraining from reporting these violations to anyone who could actually do something about it even though these claims always seem to come from people who oppose restrictions, masks, etc. and would have the motive to expose the alleged fraud so life could get back to normal. And in the end, the death totals are reported by the states so DeSantis could very well order an investigation into the "fraud" that is harming his state's economy - even if all he could do would be to start reporting the "real" totals and share their findings with the DOJ to investigate further.
 

CaptainAmerica

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what lie, did the young people they highlighted not die??? did the kids that got really sick not exist??
In many instances they did not die *of COVID.* They died *with COVID.* That's not the same thing. Representing the latter as if it's the former is dishonest. Maybe you're comfortable justifying the dishonesty on the premise that it will encourage young people to be careful but I'm not.
 
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