EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

wbostic12

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They are never going to rebuild Horizons or anything like it, unless there's a serious shift in the thinking of management.

They want all new attractions to be tied to Disney film/show IP.
Hopefully that was just an Iger principle, and hopefully as his creative ideas depart, the unrelenting idea that "every attraction in these parks are going to be based on a movie or going to be made into a movie" goes with him.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Figment was removed in the second incarnation except for a very small tribute, so there is that. But I definitely agree that the fact that the building is still a shell of its self without any crazy changes is a blessing for the pavilion's future.
What people don’t tend to remember or realize is that initially when rumors spread of Journey into Imagination closing entirely for a Honey, I Shrunk themed darkride and that Figment & Dreamfinder would be gone entirely. People signed petitions & campaigned to keep the ride long before they changed it. Hence why Figment was shoehorned in at the last second it seems, particularly in the Your Imagination version. Course, once the backlash became a lot worse.. we got the ‘02 version we still have currently
 

wbostic12

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What people don’t tend to remember or realize is that initially when rumors spread of Journey into Imagination closing entirely for a Honey, I Shrunk themed darkride and that Figment & Dreamfinder would be gone entirely. People signed petitions & campaigned to keep the ride long before they changed it. Hence why Figment was shoehorned in at the last second it seems.
In a sense, that last second addition of Figment almost added insult to injury. The 1999 version of the attraction essentially was the Imagination Institute idea, and only in 2003 did Figment return in any recognizable nature.
 

DreamfinderGuy

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While we're all debating over whether or not it's Kodak's fault that this pavilion sucks now, it seems like a good time to revisit the proposed JIYI before it got cut to hell since Kodak was broke.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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While we're all debating over whether or not it's Kodak's fault that this pavilion sucks now, it seems like a good time to revisit the proposed JIYI before it got cut to hell since Kodak was broke.
Yup... IMO, still looks sterile, cold, overly industrial, and completely misses the point both in a visual & narrative point on what imagination is all about. It’s supposed to be about ideas and how new ideas are basically other ideas combined in unique & different ways to create new things. That’s what creates “new” things. I still can’t see how presenting Imagination through a strictly scientific view is an improvement when the original presented it in a broad, abstract way through most of all creative occupations/mediums.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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I've never seen that art! Was this proposed a continuation of Dreamfinder and Figment, or a replacement like JIYI (but far superior than that)?
Basically a higher budget/more high tech version of Journey Into Your Imagination. Which again, wouldn’t have fixed the drastically inferior narrative & overall theme. It just would’ve had possibly higher quality special effects & illusions really.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Personally I think had they instead maybe built it as another seperate attraction, maybe on the side of Journey Into Imagination. Like how/where Great Movie Ride was initially planned and had ‘that’ be a backstage ride tour through the Institute. The backlash wouldn’t have been as huge. Granted, the IP & theme would’ve been considered instantly outdated, but still..
 
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wbostic12

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No
Perhaps, if Humongus doesn't live up to it's hype, a "rushed" rehab of JIYI will occur to draw attention aware from Mistake On The Lake Part 2.

Perhaps.
If it doesn't work, I expect EPCOT forever to return temporarily until Davison can figure out how to use the barges for a new ROE.
That would be my hope.
But they probably just will run it until no one watches it.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Perhaps, if Humongus doesn't live up to it's hype, a "rushed" rehab of JIYI will occur to draw attention aware from Mistake On The Lake Part 2.

Perhaps.
True! And actually.. Harmonious is seemingly ‘yet another’ example of how budget really doesn’t mean anything when the overall concept, “story” or narrative is a bad fit for the park and not executed properly. And on another note, let’s hope that a JII overhaul wouldn’t be “rushed” per say in terms of quality and execution. Granted, since the original ride is already planned out and basically most of it would just have to be rebuilt.. it’d be a lot easier, quicker, and thus cheaper to build. But it all depends really... we’ll just have to wait & see what happens.
 

Homemade Imagineering

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Here’s something they should try. In one section of the Play Pavilion, they reconstruct a revitalized version of the original Imagination attraction through a VR setup, so that way they could test guest satisfaction levels, if they truly feel it’s necessary before moving ahead with anything in say... 5 years from now. It’ll give them a while to wager both character’s popularity with children nowadays, and maybe even parents who are familiar with the original attraction. It’s also not out of the realm of possibility. I mean, that Figment “redesign” thing was indeed for a VR project according to Drew Taylor on Twitter, so I’m sure we’ll see something almost like this come to fruition, probably sans Dreamfinder unfortunately.
 

wbostic12

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Here’s something they should try. In one section of the Play Pavilion, they reconstruct a revitalized version of the original Imagination attraction through a VR setup, so that way they could test guest satisfaction levels, if they truly feel it’s necessary before moving ahead with anything in say... 5 years from now. It’ll give them a while to wager both character’s popularity with children nowadays, and maybe even parents who are familiar with the original attraction. It’s also not out of the realm of possibility. I mean, that Figment “redesign” thing was indeed for a VR project according to Drew Taylor on Twitter, so I’m sure we’ll see something almost like this come to fruition, probably sans Dreamfinder unfortunately.
I feel like PLAY! should be almost a modern DisneyQuest, and a proving ground to find what can work at a smaller scale, and what can't.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Here’s something they should try. In one section of the Play Pavilion, they reconstruct a revitalized version of the original Imagination attraction through a VR setup, so that way they could test guest satisfaction levels, if they truly feel it’s necessary before moving ahead with anything in say... 5 years from now. It’ll give them a while to wager both character’s popularity with children nowadays, and maybe even parents who are familiar with the original attraction. It’s also not out of the realm of possibility. I mean, that Figment “redesign” thing was indeed for a VR project according to Drew Taylor on Twitter, so I’m sure we’ll see something almost like this come to fruition, probably sans Dreamfinder unfortunately.
You make a good point.. but I honestly feel like recent merchandise sales & festival appearances have already well proven that both Figment (and Dreamfinder to a certain extent) are still completely viable characters, along with the Disney Kingdoms comic series which is being rereleased yet again in March. Now granted, I certainly wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility for that Figment VR related project to have a place in the Play Pavilion if it indeed continues construction as initially planned. He is an EPCOT character after all.. but at the same time, wouldn’t it make more sense to have a Figment VR thing in the ImageWorks if it were updated? Those are just my thoughts on the matter atleast.
 

Homemade Imagineering

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but I honestly feel like recent merchandise sales & festival appearances have already well proven that both Figment (and Dreamfinder to a certain extent) are still completely viable characters.
Yes of course, though I’m not sure the blind execs truly understand this enough to move ahead with anything significant. They’re so hellbent on everything being tied to the same few IP properties, mostly consisting of Marvel and Pixar, because they’re too afraid to take the smallest risk, when the solution is right in front of them. Baffling, I know, but it seems that’s the current state of things. If Figment has a more prominent role in Play whenever that opens up, I’ll feel much more confident in something being greenlit, but until then I can’t help but feel pessimistic about the future of Imagination.
 

DreamfinderGuy

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Basically a higher budget/more high tech version of Journey Into Your Imagination. Which again, wouldn’t have fixed the drastically inferior narrative & overall theme. It just would’ve had possibly higher quality special effects & illusions really.
Exactly this. No Figment/Dreamfinder, just JIYI with a proper budget and maybe a slightly different setup.
 

Movielover

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Personally I think had they instead maybe built it as another seperate attraction, maybe on the side of Journey Into Imagination. Like how/where Great Movie Ride was initially planned and had ‘that’ be a backstage ride tour through the Institute. The backlash wouldn’t have been as huge. Granted, the IP & theme would’ve been considered instantly outdated, but still..

IMO the Imagination Institute, tie ins with the Shrunk franchise, and HISTA are a great theme and setting... just not for the Imagination pavilion. The Institute would have worked so much better as the update to the CommuniCore buildings. They could have rethemed the buildings to the Institute allowing them to keep using the space to show off new technology. A new theater could have been built within to hold HISTA, and there would be space to add more over the years, maybe even a Flubber based attraction with Robin Williams. Then the imagination pavilion could have stayed the more, lack-of-a-better-term, fantastical with Dreamfinder and Figment.

It's just a shame that the best thing about the current Imagination Pavilion is this...

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And that we still have One Little Spark, albeit in a truncated form.
 

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