Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[sullyinMT]

Without all of the details it’s hard to know what the bottlenecks are in the process. Is it a logistical issue? Is it lack of qualified medical staff to administer the shots? I know at some hospitals they definitely said there was a conflict of priorities. The more people they pulled off of regular duty to administer shots the shorter staffed they were and many places are already facing a shortage of nurses. If it’s logistics and not medical skill that is needed the states have the resources to pull that off. It’s just a matter of organizing better.

At least with my county’s two distribution hospitals, it’s a lack of people to staff the data entry, as well. This is somewhere where National Guardsmen or similar would be a great help, even if they aren’t medical per se.
There is also the bottleneck of space here. Both hospitals have converted their conference and classroom room spaces into vaccination clinics, but parking and traffic flow will become an issue if we are to open up any more bandwidth. The county fairgrounds, on the other hand, is about three miles from both sites. If there was one coordinated guard effort “driving” both centers in a public/private partnership, a set number of thawed doses could theoretically be transported for each day’s use, and space would be a near non issue.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Just in case anyone is confused about cellular biology,

DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) is your genetic code, it exists in the nucleus of any cell in your body, the nucleus serves to protect DNA from other parts of your cell, it never leaves the nucleus except when undergoing mitosis (dividing) which is a very scripted, separate function from normal that is relatively rare it’s best to skip over.

So if DNA is the cellular brain, and it never leaves the nucleus how does it control the cell? Well unlike the brain which is wired in (via neurons) DNA uses mRNA (messenger Ribonucleic Acid.). Inside your nucleus, parts of your DNA is unraveled from its double helix so that RNA can be transcribed by forming on half of a DNA strand and then being separated from the DNA. mRNA then leaves the nucleus of the cell and goes into your cells cytoplasm where it is read and makes proteins (anything from hormones, ion channels, structural support, etc.)

The important thing to note is that it is impossible for outside mRNA to alter your DNA by two important factors.

1. There is no mechanism for mRNA to enter your nucleus, it cannot pass the barrier. Thus it cannot physically interact with DNA

2. DNA makes mRNA, mRNA cannot form DNA. The only way DNA forms is from splitting DNA into separate halves and then having nucleotides join each half strand forming 2 new strands of DNA (made up of half of the old strand each.)

Thus it is absolutely incorrect to suggest the mRNA vaccines alter your DNA.

And this is all stuff that anyone with an upper level medical education (nursing, physician, pharmacist) should know and understand. Heck, even someone who took entry-level biology in university should understand this.

 

[sullyinMT]

Asking as someone with absolutely no knowledge, how much training is required to actually administer the shot? Is it something you could train people to do properly while others more qualified handle preparing the syringes with the appropriate dose? Is it possible for this do be a temporary job program?

My understanding is probably not a good idea from a liability standpoint.
A good use of a temporary job program, though, would be assistance in setting up the second dose appointment, or filing people through lines. Then there is the opening new boxes of syringes or needles, assembly line style, so that nurses, pharm techs, or whomever else the distribution site is using to “assemble” doses can focus on that aspect.
There is a lot the lay person can do to open up the process more, and it’s probably high time we start exploring those avenues.
Or ask WV what the heck they’re doing to distribute at such a high per capita rate.

 

[danlb_2000]

Without all of the details it’s hard to know what the bottlenecks are in the process. Is it a logistical issue? Is it lack of qualified medical staff to administer the shots? I know at some hospitals they definitely said there was a conflict of priorities. The more people they pulled off of regular duty to administer shots the shorter staffed they were and many places are already facing a shortage of nurses. If it’s logistics and not medical skill that is needed the states have the resources to pull that off. It’s just a matter of organizing better.

I have a friend who is a lawyer for a local hospital system, but a long time ago she was a nurse, so she volunteered to do vaccinations. Fringe benefit is that she got vaccinated.

 

[Incomudro]

Follow up on the pharmacist who deliberately ruined those 500+ doses of the Moderna vaccine -

"The 46-year-old pharmacist, whose license was granted in 1997, was "an admitted conspiracy theorist," and told investigators he believed the Moderna vaccine "was not safe for people and could harm them and change their DNA," Det. Sgt. Eric Sutherland said in the probable cause statement."

"Brandenburg gave "a full confession that he had done exactly this. His intent was to destroy the medication. He did the things that he was accused of," Ozaukee County District Attorney Adam Gerol told a judge during the Zoom video conference hearing."

"The police alleged Brandenburg tampered with the vials not only with the full knowledge they'd be rendered "effectively useless" but also knowing that anyone who received those doses would be put at greater risk.

Fifty-seven of the compromised doses had already been administered by the time they were believed to be ineffective, Aurora Health Care Medical Group President Dr. Jeff Bahr said at a virtual press conference Thursday. The recipients of those doses were notified, Bahr said, and at the time, he said the remaining spoiled doses were then discarded.

Gerol, however, said the initial reports on the status of the vaccine vials weren't accurate.

The DA said he was informed today that the vaccine doses that had been left out weren't discarded but were sequestered by the hospital.

Investigators are waiting on tests to determine if they were damaged in a way that rendered them unusable. The charges against Brandenburg could change depending on the status of the vials, according to Gerol.

"The value of the drugs was somewhere between $8,00 and $12,000, but that, unfortunately all depends on whether they were in fact damaged or destroyed," Gerol said. "If they were not, despite the defendant's intent, there is no reckless endangering safety."

"You possibly have a crime in Wisconsin known as an attempted criminal damage to property," Gerol explained. "That would be a misdemeanor."

Faced with that still-open technical question, the judge ordered the suspect to be released on a $10,000 signature bond. Brandenburg, who was fired from the hospital after his arrest, was ordered to surrender his firearms and was barred from serving as a pharmacist."

Pharmacist sabotaged vaccines because he thought they were 'unsafe,' police say

The pharmacist who allegedly tampered with Moderna vaccines believed they were unsafe and harmed patients, a newly released court document revealed.

abcnews.go.com

I struggle to understand how one can be both a pharmacist, and a vaccine conspiracist.

 

[correcaminos]

Asking as someone with absolutely no knowledge, how much training is required to actually administer the shot? Is it something you could train people to do properly while others more qualified handle preparing the syringes with the appropriate dose? Is it possible for this do be a temporary job program?

A friend of mine in FL is a pharmacist and was being trained Monday with the new job he took to administer the shot. I'll have to reach out to him to see what that all entails. Funny enough he's in the same county as my inlaws and we joke that he could be the one sticking my MIL lol

Although they generally pose less of a threat to public health than an anti-vaxxer, also be on the look-out for "lyme-literate specialists" or someone who claims to specialize in autoimmune diseases that is not board-certified in the relevant discipline, like rheumatology, immunology, hematology, or gastroenterology.

From what I read about this pharmacist, it appears he also forgot what he should have learned in general biology about the different structures and functions of mRNA and DNA. There simply is no plausible biochemical mechanism for RNA changing the structure of DNA, or inserting itself into the host genome.

And yes, get the vaccine as soon as you are eligible. As of this week, our hospital will have completed the first round of vaccination of front-line staff. So far, not a single case of zomby-ism. I'm can also verify that I am not receiving microchip coded commands from Bill Gates, George Soros or any of the other members of the so-called "globalist cabal".

Good comments on the fake specialists.

Placebo or not, no microchip here either. I think... I feel nothing, but I do have a funky scar now that could be hiding it...

(Please kidding to all reading)

That sounds exactly like something a zombie would say!


I am still impatiently waiting on my wife's turn to be vaccinated (and mine, for that matter, but I know I'm say down the list). Wexner Medical Center has been quite slow.

Does she work for them? All of my OSU friends (yes I know the change, no I don't care) in Cbus have been vaccinated. Even my dentist last week. I was surprised how fast it went for most. Though surprising if your wife is saying it's slow.

Of course the chip tells you to say that...

<just kidding, btw>

I am a clever robot. Bing-bong, bing-boing.

 

[Kevin_W]

Yep, she a PT in outpatient care. Treats patients all day long (>15 minutes within 6 feet) She wears PPE and patients are screened for Covid, but I'd still think she should be towards the top of the list.

Does she work for them? All of my OSU friends (yes I know the change, no I don't care) in Cbus have been vaccinated. Even my dentist last week. I was surprised how fast it went for most. Though surprising if your wife is saying it's slow.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Without all of the details it’s hard to know what the bottlenecks are in the process. Is it a logistical issue? Is it lack of qualified medical staff to administer the shots? I know at some hospitals they definitely said there was a conflict of priorities. The more people they pulled off of regular duty to administer shots the shorter staffed they were and many places are already facing a shortage of nurses. If it’s logistics and not medical skill that is needed the states have the resources to pull that off. It’s just a matter of organizing better.

Here in FL, it's a combo of challenges. First, there is a lack of reliable scheduling planning. Several counties had vaccination appt websites, which crashed. Those that had phone lines, quickly became overwhelmed. Much like the challenge we had with the unemployment.

Meanwhile, the local sites are saying they have limited quantity of the shot, thus the quick Rise-of-the-Resistance type bookouts. But, the major news sources are reporting that the state has only used 1/4 of the doses they've received. So, there's a bottleneck of delivery from the main drop off to the local sites.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Meanwhile... in LA ambulances have been told not to transport patients with “little chance of survival.”

And yet Disneyland still needs to be open...

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Here in FL, it's a combo of challenges. First, there is a lack of reliable scheduling planning. Several counties had vaccination appt websites, which crashed. Those that had phone lines, quickly became overwhelmed. Much like the challenge we had with the unemployment.

Meanwhile, the local sites are saying they have limited quantity of the shot, thus the quick Rise-of-the-Resistance type bookouts. But, the major news sources are reporting that the state has only used 1/4 of the doses they've received. So, there's a bottleneck of delivery from the main drop off to the local sites.

There is also the problem of having the right certifications?? Or something! Someone with more knowledge then I can correct me please. I saw just yesterday a interview with someone in a hospital that they have veterinarians... retired nurses.. and named like 5 other fields of occupation that people have administered shots to but because of the red tape, she said, they get them to help. I came in halfway through the program so sorry if this sounds like mish mash.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Asking as someone with absolutely no knowledge, how much training is required to actually administer the shot? Is it something you could train people to do properly while others more qualified handle preparing the syringes with the appropriate dose? Is it possible for this do be a temporary job program?

It depends on state laws, and who exactly is supervising. Anyone could technically be trained in the relatively easy skill of sticking a needle in a muscle. But even if an individual medical task is simple enough for anyone to accomplish, there's a whole lot of secondary things that go into this that would require more training, like knowing about contact precautions, infection control, PPE use, needle safety, HIPAA, working with potentially hazardous material, medication handling, blood safety, monitoring for reactions, etc.

I agree with what the Sullivan wrote. The best use of temporary labour would be helping with the logistics or some of the custodial tasks that nurses usually do. That way, the nurses can concentrate on the actual administration of the vaccine,

 

[HarperRose]

But it is disappointing to see that, given the forewarning, the logistical distribution of doses has been so bad. I think the public exposure and admission of the problems can make it possible for better distribution.

There are always startup glitches, but these vaccines and the requirements have been known for some time. The federal govt told the states to prepare well before vaccine approval. Did they prepare well enough before approval? If they did, then the only thing we could complain about is the number of doses delivered to each state. But for now the state and local part of the distribution is not keeping up with the lower amount of doses available. I hope post covid the states and federal do a good debrief/after action report and learn from it. I hope they learn even sooner than that,

In a much older post I talked about how using state, local, and commercial for vaccine delivery was good versus having a more "command economy"-like with direction and implementation of everything from a federal level. So far the results are arguing that I might have been wrong.

I too hope that the logistics improve soon and our bottleneck goes back to how many doses are manufactured.

Wait, you're blaming the states for the awful roll out of the vaccine? The ones who have had to figure out how this will work with zero guidelines and very little money and who are already overwhelmed dealing with a pandemic? This is 100% on the federal government.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just in case anyone is confused about cellular biology,

DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) is your genetic code, it exists in the nucleus of any cell in your body, the nucleus serves to protect DNA from other parts of your cell, it never leaves the nucleus except when undergoing mitosis (dividing) which is a very scripted, separate function from normal that is relatively rare it’s best to skip over.

So if DNA is the cellular brain, and it never leaves the nucleus how does it control the cell? Well unlike the brain which is wired in (via neurons) DNA uses mRNA (messenger Ribonucleic Acid.). Inside your nucleus, parts of your DNA is unraveled from its double helix so that RNA can be transcribed by forming on half of a DNA strand and then being separated from the DNA. mRNA then leaves the nucleus of the cell and goes into your cells cytoplasm where it is read and makes proteins (anything from hormones, ion channels, structural support, etc.)

The important thing to note is that it is impossible for outside mRNA to alter your DNA by two important factors.

1. There is no mechanism for mRNA to enter your nucleus, it cannot pass the barrier. Thus it cannot physically interact with DNA

2. DNA makes mRNA, mRNA cannot form DNA. The only way DNA forms is from splitting DNA into separate halves and then having nucleotides join each half strand forming 2 new strands of DNA (made up of half of the old strand each.)

Thus it is absolutely incorrect to suggest the mRNA vaccines alter your DNA.

But can the nanobots created by Bill Gates alter the DNA?

Note: For the people who are waiting to pounce on every post I make, this is a joke stemming from the ridiculous conspiracy theories.

 

[JoeCamel]

But can the nanobots created by Bill Gates alter the DNA?

Note: For the people who are waiting to pounce on every post I make, this is a joke stemming from the ridiculous conspiracy theories.

But you are correct on this one? I got it direct from the source

 

[Patcheslee]

At least with my county’s two distribution hospitals, it’s a lack of people to staff the data entry, as well. This is somewhere where National Guardsmen or similar would be a great help, even if they aren’t medical per se.
There is also the bottleneck of space here. Both hospitals have converted their conference and classroom room spaces into vaccination clinics, but parking and traffic flow will become an issue if we are to open up any more bandwidth. The county fairgrounds, on the other hand, is about three miles from both sites. If there was one coordinated guard effort “driving” both centers in a public/private partnership, a set number of thawed doses could theoretically be transported for each day’s use, and space would be a near non issue.

It's still 1 site here and sheriff staged to keep anyone not scheduled out. It's being staffed by the 4 counties they are designated to administer for medical staff. They started on December 18th- Jan 2nd they've been able to only do 2574. Maximum they can push through in a day is 240 people due to staffing. There's approx 5200 people in heathcare for the area.
Right now they are still waiting on answers from the Indiana government for what plans are made when they go past 1a. Expected to take up till February

 

[GoofGoof]

But can the nanobots created by Bill Gates alter the DNA?

Note: For the people who are waiting to pounce on every post I make, this is a joke stemming from the ridiculous conspiracy theories.

If everyone switches back to PCs and suddenly abandons their Apple products we will know the Bill Gates nanobots worked

 

[correcaminos]

Yep, she a PT in outpatient care. Treats patients all day long (>15 minutes within 6 feet) She wears PPE and patients are screened for Covid, but I'd still think she should be towards the top of the list.

Interesting. A friend who does the same (goes from home to home though) got theirs at Mt. Carmel East on the 24th. Granted they so work with elderly and housebound more so not sure if that bumped her. My friend and dentist along with dentist spouse got theirs on the 28th if I saw the date on the card right. I go in tomorrow and might ask how they got theirs do fast even. I forgot to ask my OT friend who works for OSU in hospital about hers.

 

[Piebald]

Reporting back from a previous post yesterday and confirming that one of our local vaccination sites did in fact vaccinate someone I know who just signed up without being a frontline worker, senior (mid 30s) and 0 questions asked. At first I thought it was an a-hole move but based on the huge anti vax sentiment and after speaking with some people who are encouraging people should get it at all costs ...I dont know, maybe this person is smart. They also told me many of our peers did the same thing (again none of these people are frontline workers but I'm juggling with the sentiment that they want the vaccine and I can't blame them for looking out for themselves and their family)

 

[Heppenheimer]

Reporting back from a previous post yesterday and confirming that one of our local vaccination sites did in fact vaccinate someone I know who just signed up without being a frontline worker, senior (mid 30s) and 0 questions asked. At first I thought it was an a-hole move but based on the huge anti vax sentiment and after speaking with some people who are encouraging people should get it at all costs ...I dont know, maybe this person is smart. They also told me many of our peers did the same thing (again none of these people are frontline workers but I'm juggling with the sentiment that they want the vaccine and I can't blame them for looking out for themselves and their family)

Remind us, where do you live?

 

[Disney Experience]

Wait, you're blaming the states for the awful roll out of the vaccine? The ones who have had to figure out how this will work with zero guidelines and very little money and who are already overwhelmed dealing with a pandemic? This is 100% on the federal government.

How is it 100% a federal problem? Some percent, sure, but 100%?

Let’s look at in reverse( Instead of everyone saying it is not my responsibility and my big brother should take care of it for me. ( Big brother as in local big brother is the state and state’s big brother is the federal government)

Individuals that want vaccination: Do not wait for someone to knock on your door and offer the vaccine to you. Find out how to get it in your locale, limited supply will get better, but hold the system at all levels (local, state, federal) to their responsibilities in getting vaccine deployed.

Hospitals and Clinics: if you are too busy ( overwhelmed) to administer shots beyond your own staff tell your locality you cannot provide the service and that the locality or state needs to send the shots elsewhere.

Localities: If the clinics and hospitals are not able to administer the shots you are projected to have, you need to look at other ways of delivery. Local pharmacies, stadiums ( staffing would be the issue) etc. If you cannot handle it, get advice from the state, but do your part. Do not just push it all up to the state. You should know your locality better than the state does.

State: If localities are not getting their responsibilities done help them find the solutions. Are there state level resources and knowledge that will help the local distribution problem? (Lot more can be said on what they can do, but too much typing). Do not expect a federal slush fund to be sent to the states to fund things. It is harder for states to fund things than the federal government, but states have some strength and financial ability if they have been responsible.

Federal: Are you getting the doses to the states? Are you making the supply chain for production work? Are you providing frameworks for states to modify and adopt? Are you facilitating nationwide pharmacies role in vaccine delivery to end user?

Saying it is a 100% federal problem is an oversimplification. Its everyone's problem.

(If people have followed my posts and edit, they will realize I often type on my IPhone which means apple decides on an adjacent letter to the letter I actually meant. But I edit later to fix it.)