Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[sullyinMT]

It's also one of the reasons why people are being monitored for 30 minutes after receiving the vaccination. So if you do faint, they can gently lower you to the ground, instead of falling and hitting your head.

I get lightheaded and sometimes faint when I donate blood. I let bank staff know up front. But it doesn’t stop me from giving up that sweet O- liquid gold.
This is where education should be ahead of the headlines.

 

[Seanual757]

I’m no fan of the current administration at all, but I just don’t see this being the case this time. It sounds like a glitch with the computer system and not anything nefarious. It’s also only a week into this, it’s going to have some bumps. We cannot politicize the vaccine. It will have devastating consequence.

Based on past history it doesn’t matter what actually happens because Trump just creates his own reality and his followers believe it despite living through the actual reality. I’m sure in a few months Trump will claim the vaccine came out under his administration and that covid was defeated and gone before Biden ever took over. It’s a complete myth with zero truth to it, but that never stopped him before.

I would hope not but when you have a vaccine company saying they have millions of doses sitting in the warehouse and no shipping orders? We have seen this administration on tape push herd immunity and things that have happened over the past month in a half you have to wonder what is going on. Airlines and shipping companies are ready our government should be on top of this moving the vaccines out to the states.... This is life or death

 

[_caleb]

Everyone creates their own reality. Just look at how many people still insist Trump worked with the Russians in 2016. They are as delusional as anyone who thinks Trump won in 2020. But don't tell me or anyone else that Hillary Clinton and President Carter are not as wrong as Trump because they still say Trump is an illegitimate President.

Did you mean to post this on Facebook?

 

[Chi84]

I agree...the click hoarders need to control themselves for once.

To be fair: the Washington Times is a steaming pile of made up garbage.

This was picked up by several news outlets and is all over my morning news feeds. So much of the news media is now little better than what we used to derisively call tabloid journalism.

 

[DisneyCane]

Let's leave out the fact that President Trump continually rejected "the herd" strategy (while using him in the picture). He did this multiple times in press conferences.

When???

Just for you I dug up one of the instances. April 10 press conference was one time:

THE PRESIDENT: And if we did follow that approach, I think we might have 2 million people dead. And Sweden is having a lot of difficulty. You know, look, I’m very friendly with the leadership in Sweden. They took a different approach. They’re a very disciplined country to start off with, but they did take a different — and, you know, other places tried it.

The UK tried it — the herd approach, okay? Herd. And they tried it, and you saw what happened in UK. It set them back a lot — a lot of time. It’s been — you know, they’re having a tough time. Other countries have tried it. And Sweden is suffering greatly. I mean, Sweden is suffering greatly.

If we did the herd — if we went with the “herd,” as they say, we would have had potentially — I mean, you see the charts.

 

[DCBaker]

"The Florida State Fair has been postponed until April 2021 due to impacts of COVID-19.

Originally scheduled for February 11-22, 2021, the Florida State Fair competitions, entertainment, carnival and other attractions and activities will now be rescheduled for some time in April, pending COVID-19 health status, the fair says."

"Guests who pre-purchased fair tickets on the Florida State Fair’s website will be given the option to transfer tickets for the rescheduled dates or receive a refund."

Florida State Fair postponed until April 2021 due to COVID-19

The Florida State Fair has been postponed until April 2021 due to impacts of COVID-19.

www.abcactionnews.com

 

[danlb_2000]

Vasovagal syncope. Happens several times weekly in any large hospital's phlebotomy or vaccination clinics. It's a stress-induced response to seeing your own blood or having a needle enter your body and has nothing do with what was actually injected.

Some people even have a few convulsions after they pass out. Not pathologic at all, and they quickly resolve without any damage. Unfortunately, I can almost see the next click-bait, ill-informed headline write itself: "Patient receives COVID vaccine, immediately has seizure!".

I used to pass out all the time when I needed to give blood for a blood test.

 

[hopemax]

I’m no fan of the current administration at all, but I just don’t see this being the case this time. It sounds like a glitch with the computer system and not anything nefarious. It’s also only a week into this, it’s going to have some bumps. We cannot politicize the vaccine. It will have devastating consequence.

It's still someone's responsibility to make sure potential glitches are discovered. This is far too early in the process to be trusting that the "computer is doing it right." There needs to be eyes on reports, there needs to be real time communication between the Pfizer distribution and the government side so the moment someone noticed something hinky with the lack of shipping info there could be a response. It shouldn't get to the point where state governments are telling media they are confused because they should already have been informed that there was a glitch, it was identified and the following shipment will be larger than anticipated, and there is no cause for concern. So when the media comes calling, it's just a hiccup with one shipment that will be resolved with the next one.

This became a story because the states were concerned enough that they talked to the media. What technical thing happened is of lesser importance than the states didn't trust the process or that they could just talk to their government rep to get it solved to their satisfaction. They needed to put their finger on the very loud button. That someone in the administration tried to push it off on Pfizer and Pfizer snapped back, "wasn't us!" Those reactions are not the signs that accompany "everyone is putting forward their best effort and sometimes stuff happens." The states have had enough interactions with the administration to get a sense for things, and if FL is feeling angsty and confused, there's no reason for us to shrug it off. How teams respond to glitches matters, and I'm sure we've all seen people with the power to affect the process poo-poo things until the point where nasty stuff happens (and then claim ignorance about the whole thing) vs. people who take things to heart and start diving into it to get it straightened out.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This was picked up by several news outlets and is all over my morning news feeds. So much of the news media is now little better than what we used to derisively call tabloid journalism.

Typical...

Typically disappointing

 

[danlb_2000]

I’m no fan of the current administration at all, but I just don’t see this being the case this time. It sounds like a glitch with the computer system and not anything nefarious. ...

Hmmm, I wonder if Hugo Chavez was involved with the company that created this system?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Just for you I dug up one of the instances. April 10 press conference was one time:

THE PRESIDENT: And if we did follow that approach, I think we might have 2 million people dead. And Sweden is having a lot of difficulty. You know, look, I’m very friendly with the leadership in Sweden. They took a different approach. They’re a very disciplined country to start off with, but they did take a different — and, you know, other places tried it.

The UK tried it — the herd approach, okay? Herd. And they tried it, and you saw what happened in UK. It set them back a lot — a lot of time. It’s been — you know, they’re having a tough time. Other countries have tried it. And Sweden is suffering greatly. I mean, Sweden is suffering greatly.

If we did the herd — if we went with the “herd,” as they say, we would have had potentially — I mean, you see the charts.

His administration and himself has pushed it for awhile. To go back to April and find something he said.. and believe me it’s so tough even understanding what the heck he is talking about is a reach.

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I could post links all day.

 

[danlb_2000]

It's also one of the reasons why people are being monitored for 30 minutes after receiving the vaccination. So if you do faint, they can gently lower you to the ground, instead of falling and hitting your head.

I wonder how this will be handled once the general public starts getting the vaccine at places like CVS and Walgreens? These places generally don't have a lot of room to people to hang around for 30 minutes after getting the vaccine.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Hmmm, I wonder if Hugo Chavez was involved with the company that created this system?

It’s a cabal of him, Fidel, and some hanging chads

 

[danlb_2000]

It’s a cabal of him, Fidel, and some hanging chads

Don't forget the lizard people, they were surely involved.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don't forget the lizard people, they were surely involved.

...brain eating pizza chefs

 

[Kevin_W]

I wonder how this will be handled once the general public starts getting the vaccine at places like CVS and Walgreens? These places generally don't have a lot of room to people to hang around for 30 minutes after getting the vaccine.

My Kroger's me to hang around for 15 minutes after getting a flu shot. There are a few chairs you can sit and read/play on your phone. But usually I just do my grocery shopping.

 

[GoofGoof]

It's still someone's responsibility to make sure potential glitches are discovered. This is far too early in the process to be trusting that the "computer is doing it right." There needs to be eyes on reports, there needs to be real time communication between the Pfizer distribution and the government side so the moment someone noticed something hinky with the lack of shipping info there could be a response. It shouldn't get to the point where state governments are telling media they are confused because they should already have been informed that there was a glitch, it was identified and the following shipment will be larger than anticipated, and there is no cause for concern. So when the media comes calling, it's just a hiccup with one shipment that will be resolved with the next one.

This became a story because the states were concerned enough that they talked to the media. What technical thing happened is of lesser importance than the states didn't trust the process or that they could just talk to their government rep to get it solved to their satisfaction. They needed to put their finger on the very loud button. That someone in the administration tried to push it off on Pfizer and Pfizer snapped back, "wasn't us!" Those reactions are not the signs that accompany "everyone is putting forward their best effort and sometimes stuff happens." The states have had enough interactions with the administration to get a sense for things, and if FL is feeling angsty and confused, there's no reason for us to shrug it off. How teams respond to glitches matters, and I'm sure we've all seen people with the power to affect the process poo-poo things until the point where nasty stuff happens (and then claim ignorance about the whole thing) vs. people who take things to heart and start diving into it to get it straightened out.

I’m not saying it should happen, but if people thought this was going to be a smooth process without glitches that’s just not likely. It’s early in the process, Pfizer having a million doses ready to ship seems like a lot but on average that’s less than 20,000 doses per state including territories and DC getting some. I’m not saying it’s not bad that it happened, but it’s also not catastrophic. I also don’t see it being malicious or political. The implication was that the vaccine was being held back from certain states for political reasons, but FL was also complaining and apparently the governor is a Trump crony.

In the beginning while there is a scarcity of doses there is going to be a logistical challenge to make sure that when you send doses to a location that they are ready and willing to accept them. I also thought that the warp speed team was going to hold back doses to ensure there are enough for the second doses. I can’t believe I’m actually defending the current administration but I don’t think this is a big deal.

 

[GoofGoof]

I wonder how this will be handled once the general public starts getting the vaccine at places like CVS and Walgreens? These places generally don't have a lot of room to people to hang around for 30 minutes after getting the vaccine.

They do flu shots and they do ask you to stick around if it’s your first time. My first flu shot was at a Rite Aid and they didn’t tell me that until after the shot. I only stayed about 10 mins and then got bored and left but they did ask me to stay 30 mins. Since nobody has had this shot before, in theory everyone should stick around, but like you said I don’t see that being possible. Interesting dilemma.

 

[GoofGoof]

I would hope not but when you have a vaccine company saying they have millions of doses sitting in the warehouse and no shipping orders? We have seen this administration on tape push herd immunity and things that have happened over the past month in a half you have to wonder what is going on. Airlines and shipping companies are ready our government should be on top of this moving the vaccines out to the states.... This is life or death

I don’t buy it. The vaccine rollout is being handled by career CDC and military people, not Trump cronies. I doubt Trump even cares at this point. He’s busy filing lawsuits and trying to figure out a way to stay in power after losing a free and fair election.

 

[DisneyCane]

His administration and himself has pushed it for awhile. To go back to April and find something he said.. and believe me it’s so tough even understanding what the heck he is talking about is a reach.

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I could post links all day.

In neither of those references did he "support" a herd immunity strategy. In the town hall answer, if you watch it, he just says that it would go away over time without a vaccine because of herd immunity. This isn't a disputed fact. There would be a lot of deaths but herd immunity would eventually happen and the pandemic would go away. The vast majority of his answer was about the vaccine and the herd immunity statement was a brief exchange.

The other article puts words in his mouth and says he embraces the idea behind herd immunity and goes on to say that he said he is immune and once you get it and get over it you are immune (which is likely true but unknown as to how long). The quotes they throw in about "unscientific lockdowns" don't mean pushing herd immunity. There are all kinds of stories about how data in California counties shows very little spread from indoor dining (operating under the protocols that were in place) but then having indoor dining banned.

I grabbed the transcript from April because I was able to find it quickly. He said similar several times.