Heppenheimer
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Screwed. By ourselves.
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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I’ll help you out here: this is absolutely not true.
Sleep easy
Well...unfortunately that is true. Time for a lunch aperitif
GoofGoof
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This is why I always ask the question to people who tend to rail on about harsh restrictions. What exactly are you being restricted from doing that you would want to do? Cruises are off. DLR remains closed. Most places have some limit on restaurant capacity or in hot spots now a temporary ban on indoor dining and in some cases outdoor. Strip clubs are closed (may matter to some people
). Movie theaters are mostly closed. In some areas gyms closed again but in many they are open. So even from a restaurant standpoint, takeout is available everywhere. Most places still allow outdoor dining with some level of indoor dining. I guess my point still is are there really harsh restrictions that upset people or did their echo chamber spit out “draconian measures” and they are just repeating it blindly. On the economic front the pandemic is hurting a lot of small businesses and workers. The government should be focused on that. It’s a sad state of affairs that we don’t have relief for workers, but it needs to be addressed by Congress not by removing restrictions. First of all, it won‘t matter. FL effectively removed almost all Covid restrictions and businesses aren’t much better off on a macro economic level. Unemployment is still rampant. The only reason people aren’t being evicted in mass is they are protected by legislation that expires soon. Second, the negative impact of more cases is worse for the economy than the short term benefit of removing restrictions. While cases are lower mobility statistics show people are out and about more. Even without government intervention a percent of people will stay home on their own based on how safe they deem the situation.
Chi84
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One other noteworthy point: In addition to the US Constitution, each state has its own Constitution which can give its citizens greater, but not lesser, protections than those given by the federal Constitution. In my state, most of the challenges to restrictions have been based on state statutes and the state Constitution rather than the US Constitution.
Sirwalterraleigh
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And that’s why all these mitigation mandates have been struck down with no discussion on both the state and federal levels...happens everyday.
Just like all the fraud has been rooted out of the election and the “true numbers” of 411-187 has been decreed.
Yep.
SamusAranX
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"The constitution is not a suicide pact"
TrainsOfDisney
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They are very different.
That would never fly in Taiwan. Taiwan having one of the lowest infection rates do not play around. My relative took a two year foreign assignment to live and work in Taiwan. Prior to arriving at his rental home, government cameras were installed in the perimeter of his home.
TrainsOfDisney
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I will say that I understand the concern... after 9/11 we got the TSA searches which I consider way too far for a citizen traveling within their own country. After Vegas we got unannounced room searches at Disney World, which is also too far imho.
I didn’t agree with some of the extreme measures in March... it made no sense to close outdoor state parks and recreation areas for example, especially in my area that had 5 cases at the time.
I’m trying to see both sides of the coin, but when 3,000 people died yesterday and people are arguing that restaurants and bars should be open for indoor services I just don’t understand.
I didn’t agree with some of the extreme measures in March... it made no sense to close outdoor state parks and recreation areas for example, especially in my area that had 5 cases at the time.
I’m trying to see both sides of the coin, but when 3,000 people died yesterday and people are arguing that restaurants and bars should be open for indoor services I just don’t understand.
When friends of mine lived in DC, there was an announcement made prior to take off from the airports in the Washington DC area immediately after 9/11/01. No passenger is allowed to stand up at all until the plane clears DC airspace. Anyone in violation will be subject to arrest.
DisneyCane
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How? Please explain from the standpoint of legal concepts, not "common sense"
I never suggested it did, but there’s legitimate science supporting my experience. That wasn’t the point though - my personal perspective was simply in support my observations on how I believe my rights (and the rights of business) are not being violated as a result of the reasonable precautions being asked of us by the CDC.
I own a small business that has been directly and completely impacted by Covid, and have a 50% year over year reduction of revenue. The state of Florida says I can do whatever I want, my clients and customers seem to have a dramatically different opinion. The reason why my loss is only 50% instead of 80% is because I’ve adapted and tried to pivot my offerings to accommodate the current business reality. If I’m a bar owner, and I didn’t see the writing on the wall and figure out a plan B pretty quickly at the beginning of all of this, then I wouldn’t be a very good bar owner. These are personal and businsss realities. The constitution and the bill of rights are fantastic underpinnings of American democracy and society, but they don’t and can’t trump reality or absolve business or individuals responsibility in adapting to realities.
danlb_2000
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Closing those things makes no sense in hindsight, but at the time we didn't know anywhere near as much about how the virus spreads as we do now.
The stay at home is not an order, but a recommendation. No one is being arrested or detained for going outside. Being under house arrest is a legal consequence, and enforceable. It's not even close to the same thing at all.
Disney Analyst
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The site that shan’t be named is reporting that Disney is now digitally adding masks on ride photos if guests aren’t wearing them.
hopemax
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*sigh* Dumpster fire in the US, dumpster fire in the thread this week. Anyway...
I was able to read this article on my phone, but run into the paywall on my laptop. Study from South Korea about a student with no clear exposure who came down with COVID (no positives in her community for 2 months). Via extensive contact tracing and using cell phone data mapping, they identified the infection as occurring in a restaurant. An out-of-town visitor infected 3 people who were sitting "down wind" of the flow from the air conditioner. The student was sitting 20 feet away and only overlapped the infectious person for 5 minutes. They concluded that the air circulation patterns in the restaurant, the direction the affected diners were facing created a valley of wind, in which the people on a specific line were infected. A reminder that mitigation is not a complete elimination of risk and given the right circumstances spread can happen.
www.latimes.com
I was able to read this article on my phone, but run into the paywall on my laptop. Study from South Korea about a student with no clear exposure who came down with COVID (no positives in her community for 2 months). Via extensive contact tracing and using cell phone data mapping, they identified the infection as occurring in a restaurant. An out-of-town visitor infected 3 people who were sitting "down wind" of the flow from the air conditioner. The student was sitting 20 feet away and only overlapped the infectious person for 5 minutes. They concluded that the air circulation patterns in the restaurant, the direction the affected diners were facing created a valley of wind, in which the people on a specific line were infected. A reminder that mitigation is not a complete elimination of risk and given the right circumstances spread can happen.
Infected after 5 minutes, from 20 feet away: South Korea study shows coronavirus' spread indoors
A South Korean study raises concerns that six feet of social distance may not be far enough to keep people safe from the coronavirus.
www.latimes.com
DisneyCane
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Some are, some aren't. Back in March, Broward County ordered me not to leave my property unless I was doing something specifically defined as essential. I could also walk a pet within a specified distance (500 ft IIRC). It was not a suggestion and they made clear that it could be enforced by the police.
That order could be challenged in the courts, as it obviously went a bit too far. While it could have been enforced by the police, was anyone actually arrested over it? If not, then it had no real teeth, and was an idle threat. Still very wrong.
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