Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[JoeCamel]

For a while, the date thrown around was the 10th, which is tomorrow.

The FDA committee meets tomorrow to vote on the EUA application. Should be a rubber stamp

 

[SamusAranX]

There was a disproportionate number of nursing home related deaths in March and April in the NE where the first wave happened. It’s a fact. You can see the numbers. It’s not that we didn’t know that those patients were the highest risk it’s the level of locking them down. We learned from our mistakes. There is nothing in April that nursing homes in FL were doing different than nursing homes in NY/NJ. The difference is the community spread in the NE was really high and LT care facility workers and also visitors to a lesser extent were more likely to be infected. By May we realized this huge mistake and corrected it to the best of our ability nationwide. FL had its spike in community spread after the correction. It’s all documented history. In April did FL nursing homes not allow positive patients back in and lock their facilities down? I don’t think that’s the case. They just got lucky that community spread wasn’t as bad so less of an impact.

I could be wrong, not advocating for Florida's governor or government, but I believe nursing homes / LTCF did not have to take back positive patients here. Other states varied.

 

[GoofGoof]

I could be wrong, not advocating for Florida's governor or government, but I believe nursing homes / LTCF did not have to take back positive patients here. Other states varied.

It wasn’t until May that that policy was stopped. I posted an edit to the other post with links to stories from back then. Before that they were taking positive patients that no longer needed to be hospitalized back just like other states. Every state stopped the practice by around that time frame but due to the NE first wave being early it hit them harder. Unfortunately the talking heads turned this into a political rally cry about Cuomo killing elderly people. If we learned anything from Trump’s presidency it’s that if you say something that’s not true enough times a percent of people will believe it’s true anyway. I think they even coined the phrase alternative facts

 

[seascape]

It wasn’t until May that that policy was stopped. I posted an edit to the other post with links to stories from back then. Before that they were taking positive patients that no longer needed to be hospitalized back just like other states. Every state stopped the practice by around that time frame but due to the NE first wave being early it hit them harder. Unfortunately the talking heads turned this into a political rally cry about Cuomo killing elderly people. If we learned anything from Trump’s presidency it’s that if you say something that’s not true enough times a percent of people will believe it’s true anyway. I think they even coined the phrase alternative facts

If you watched Cuomo daily press conferences like I do, you would know it was the press that kept asking about the Nursing Homes and blaming the states decision. We all know Trump's hatred of the media and the support Trump haters give the media. It is a fact that Cuomo ordered the Nursing Home to accept Covid19 patients unless they couldn't follow the law and not be eligible for any Medicaid patients. That is basically telling the Nursing Home to take the patients or go out of business. What an option. Yes, Cuome made a mistake and while I don't say he killed anyone because that would require proving he did it intentionally, he refuses to admit he was wrong. He has turned nasty to reporters who ask hard questions insinuating he made mistakes or he doesn't know what is going on. The press conference the day DeBlasio said schools would be closed in NYC, Cuomo tore into a reporter telling him he didn't know what he was talking about because the schools would be open. Of course NYC schools were closed the next day. This is what happens to politicians who atart out sounding great and taking credit for everything and then make mistakes and errors but refuse to admit them and blame everyone else. Please go back and watch all of his press conferences if you doubt this. As a retiree, I have the time to watch them as I am doing the right thing and not going out unless it's essential.

 

[danlb_2000]

Start with Nursing Homes in Florida not having to accept Covid19 patients but NY and NJ required Nursing Homes to take them. Those states can't say they didn't know the problem of Covid19 and Nursing Homes becausr of Washington States experience.

So the rule requiring nursing homes to take covid patients is still in effect in NY and NJ? I haven't been able to find a source either way.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

If you watched Cuomo daily press conferences like I do, you would know it was the press that kept asking about the Nursing Homes and blaming the states decision. We all know Trump's hatred of the media and the support Trump haters give the media. It is a fact that Cuomo ordered the Nursing Home to accept Covid19 patients unless they couldn't follow the law and not be eligible for any Medicaid patients. That is basically telling the Nursing Home to take the patients or go out of business. What an option. Yes, Cuome made a mistake and while I don't say he killed anyone because that would require proving he did it intentionally, he refuses to admit he was wrong. He has turned nasty to reporters who ask hard questions insinuating he made mistakes or he doesn't know what is going on. The press conference the day DeBlasio said schools would be closed in NYC, Cuomo tore into a reporter telling him he didn't know what he was talking about because the schools would be open. Of course NYC schools were closed the next day. This is what happens to politicians who atart out sounding great and taking credit for everything and then make mistakes and errors but refuse to admit them and blame everyone else. Please go back and watch all of his press conferences if you doubt this. As a retiree, I have the time to watch them as I am doing the right thing and not going out unless it's essential.

So let’s see if I have this right. Florida good. NY,NJ,PA bad. Republicans good, Democrats bad. Did I miss something?
The reading between the lines with your posts is very easy. Don’t blanket it with fluff, just come out and say it. We all mostly do here.

 

[GoofGoof]

If you watched Cuomo daily press conferences like I do, you would know it was the press that kept asking about the Nursing Homes and blaming the states decision. We all know Trump's hatred of the media and the support Trump haters give the media. It is a fact that Cuomo ordered the Nursing Home to accept Covid19 patients unless they couldn't follow the law and not be eligible for any Medicaid patients. That is basically telling the Nursing Home to take the patients or go out of business. What an option. Yes, Cuome made a mistake and while I don't say he killed anyone because that would require proving he did it intentionally, he refuses to admit he was wrong. He has turned nasty to reporters who ask hard questions insinuating he made mistakes or he doesn't know what is going on. The press conference the day DeBlasio said schools would be closed in NYC, Cuomo tore into a reporter telling him he didn't know what he was talking about because the schools would be open. Of course NYC schools were closed the next day. This is what happens to politicians who atart out sounding great and taking credit for everything and then make mistakes and errors but refuse to admit them and blame everyone else. Please go back and watch all of his press conferences if you doubt this. As a retiree, I have the time to watch them as I am doing the right thing and not going out unless it's essential.

None of that changes the fact that nursing homes across the country were taking Covid positive patients back when the patient was well enough to leave the hospital. it was standard practice. Nobody got that right. After we all realized that was a big problem I believe they changed that policy almost everywhere.

 

[seascape]

So let’s see if I have this right. Florida good. NY,NJ,PA bad. Republicans good, Democrats bad. Did I miss something?
The reading between the lines with your posts is very easy. Don’t blanket it with fluff, just come out and say it. We all mostly do here.

That is not what I said. I said Florida has been better than NY and NJ. Please go back a few posts and and read what I said about Florida's handling of the unemployment system.

 

[Patcheslee]

I'm also behind 268.7 million people nationwide, but based on county, I'm just behind 1.8 million others. Yay for NYC?

I'm behind 256 million nationwide, but behind 36,800 for my county (population is 48k). We're at the higher end of the Indiana positivity and cases/100k matrix.

The county health department already said don't expect the Pfizer vaccine to be available past phase 1 people because they don't have the storage capability and phase 1 people will be going to the county north of us. Public will "most likely" get Moderna if approved.

 

[GoofGoof]

That is not what I said. I said Florida has been better than NY and NJ. Please go back a few posts and and read what I said about Florida's handling of the unemployment system.

FL has certainly done better with deaths in long term care facilities. The article I posted a few back was from May 13 and was talking about FL changing their policy of allowing Covid positive patients back into nursing homes. They were also transferring any remaining Covid positive patients out at that time. At the time of that article FL had 776 deaths in LT care facilities. Around the same timeframe in mid-May PA changed their policy and prevented nursing homes from taking Covid positive patients, but the damage was done as nearly 3,000 residents had died, almost 7 times as many deaths as FL when adjusted for population size.

While we knew the elderly and specifically LT care residents were at high risk what we didn’t know between the start of the pandemic and May 1 was how common asymptomatic spread was. There was also a major shortage in tests and also PPE at the time. So in LT care facilities they isolated the sick patients with symptoms but didn’t test patients or workers without symptoms so the virus spread wildly. The plan to isolate the sick was an epic failure. Once widespread testing was available one of the first things implemented was frequent testing of LT care facility workers and residents. That has significantly cut down on spread and deaths even though it’s still a problem.

So while FL had the same policies and practices as the NE states from the start through some time in May, the main difference is how widespread the virus was in each state. An argument could be made that the Governor of FL would have changed their policy sooner had deaths spiked like the NE, but it is impossible to know if that’s true, they had the same limited knowledge of asymptomatic spread and the same lack of testing. The point of all of this is that the response in both places was virtually identical, the outcome was far worse in the NE, but I’m not sure that’s due to a worse response or just bad timing.

 

[MisterPenguin]

In El Paso, hospitals reported that just 13 of 400 intensive care beds were not occupied last week. In Fargo, N.D., there were just three. In Albuquerque, there were zero.​

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More than a third of Americans live in areas where hospitals are running critically short of intensive care beds, federal data show, revealing a newly detailed picture of the nation’s hospital crisis during the deadliest week of the Covid-19 epidemic.​

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Hospitals serving more than 100 million Americans reported having fewer than 15 percent of intensive care beds still available as of last week, according to a Times analysis of data reported by hospitals and released by the Department of Health and Human Services.​

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Many areas are even worse off: One in 10 Americans — across a large swath of the Midwest, South and Southwest — lives in an area where intensive care beds are either completely full, or fewer than 5 percent of beds are available. At these levels, experts say maintaining existing standards of care for the sickest patients may be difficult or impossible.​

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“There’s only so much our frontline care can offer, particularly when you get to these really rural counties which are being hit hard by the pandemic right now,” said Beth Blauer, director of the Centers for Civic Impact at Johns Hopkins University.​

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Sharp increases in Covid-19 patients can overwhelm smaller hospitals, she said. “This disease progresses very quickly and can get very ugly very fast. When you don’t have that capacity, that means people will die.”​

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The new dataset, released on Monday, marks the first time the federal government has published detailed geographic information on Covid-19 patients in hospitals, something public health officials have long said would be crucial to responding to the epidemic and understanding its impact.​

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 84 new reported deaths, along with 5 Non-Florida resident deaths.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The hearings are going on this week. Tomorrow is the vote for the independent committee than they need formal FDA approval which should happen almost immediately as they already said they would rely on the recommendations of the committee and after FDA approval the CDC has final approval which is expected within 24 hours of FDA approval and will rely heavily on the recommendations of the independent board. That means as early as Friday we could have the first vaccinations but more likely Monday or Tuesday next week.

That’s about the most obvious dog and pony show ever.

There is a 0.0000% chance approval is not given based on events overseas and enormous public pressure.

You always trust the science...but it could never win this battle.

We all hope it doesn’t matter in this case.

 

[networkpro]

That’s about the most obvious dog and pony show ever.

There is a 0.0000% chance approval is not given based on events overseas and enormous public pressure.

You always trust the science...but it could never win this battle.

We all hope it doesn’t matter in this case.

Sadly this has just been yet another media event. Short news cycles, flashy shocking headlines, the leading story on the nightly propaganda shows....

 

[danlb_2000]

That’s about the most obvious dog and pony show ever.

There is a 0.0000% chance approval is not given based on events overseas and enormous public pressure.

You always trust the science...but it could never win this battle.

We all hope it doesn’t matter in this case.

"enormous public pressure" should in no way enter into this decision.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"enormous public pressure" should in no way enter into this decision.

I don’t disagree with you...however my assessment is still 100% correct in this instance

 

[GoofGoof]

That’s about the most obvious dog and pony show ever.

There is a 0.0000% chance approval is not given based on events overseas and enormous public pressure.

You always trust the science...but it could never win this battle.

We all hope it doesn’t matter in this case.

It’s the process that has was setup long before any other countries approved the vaccine. If they cancelled all of these meeting and reviews and just rubber stamped it then we would all be complaining they weren’t following the science. The independent board is part of the FDA process that‘s nothing new. The only thing new is the publicity around it and the fact that the public hearing is being streamed on their website. A person dies every 30 seconds from Covid so unless the vaccine was causing some pretty major issues I can’t see how any scientist or expert would vote not to authorize it. I don’t think thats just public pressure it’s just common sense.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s the process that has was setup long before any other countries approved the vaccine. If they cancelled all of these meeting and reviews and just rubber stamped it then we would all be complaining they weren’t following the science. The independent board is part of the FDA process that‘s nothing new. The only thing new is the publicity around it and the fact that the public hearing is being streamed on their website. A person dies every 30 seconds from Covid so unless the vaccine was causing some pretty major issues I can’t see how any scientist or expert would vote not to authorize it. I don’t think thats just public pressure it’s just common sense.

Not disputing any of that. It’s just ironic that we need to be given such “pacifiers”...and then still complain like babies everyday.

Eh...it is what it is.

 

[BrianLo]

Canada’s next.

A series of welcome news! Plus immediately after complaining Alberta realized it wasn’t the US and is finally progressing with a soft lockdown.

Cherry on top is I’ve learned we’ve secured 11 full sets of vaccines per citizen in Canada (which is way beyond the US)... which makes us the greedy buyers of the world I suppose, but hopefully we’ll help distribute excess to places in need.

 

[DCBaker]