Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[_caleb]

Even when crowded, you don't normally spend significant time around any given person. If somebody is symptomatic, there could be an issue if they are coughing and sneezing but I'd hope symptomatic people would isolate.

I'm selfish "Mr. anti restrictions," but if I have any symptoms that could be covid I will isolate without a second thought.

What? If everyone at Walmart is wearing a mask and nobody in the store spends more than a few seconds within six feet of another person (except maybe in the checkout line if people don't follow the markings), why could there be an issue if someone is showing symptoms? What difference would that make?

 

[matt9112]

On the vaccine front HHS secretary and former chair of the coronavirus task force Alex Azar says there will be enough vaccine to vaccinate nursing home residents, healthcare workers and first responders by the end of January and enough for all Americans by the end of March or early April. Even with a little slippage in timing and the need for 2 shots 3 weeks apart it seems like the vast majority of people who want the vaccine should be able to get it well before Memorial Day and the unofficial start to summer. That would be huge for WDW and for all of us if enough people can be convinced to get it.

HHS Secretary: Coronavirus 'general vaccination' programs by spring

In an appearance on the TODAY show, HHS Secretary Alex Azar outlined what he said would be the distribution schedule for Pfizer's experimental vaccine

news.yahoo.com

Whether or not you are for WW2 (!), the point was that when Germans were dropping bombs on cities in the UK, every household was required to black out their windows. Everyone sacrificed to resist the threat to their collective existence.

It should not be too much to ask Americans to wear a mask, keep their distance, and leave home only when necessary. Nobody wants to spend Thanksgiving apart from family and friends, but it’s a small price to pay for our country. And the only reason it’s not realistic to expect the vast majority to forego gathering for a meal is that too many are selfishly putting their own preferences before the wellbeing of our communities.

When you start mailing me paychecks i will stay in my home and never leave. I cannot work from home and my job inevitably has me visiting dozens of restuarants a week.

 

[drizgirl]

When you start mailing me paychecks i will stay in my home and never leave. I cannot work from home and my job inevitably has me visiting dozens of restuarants a week.

Don't you just love when people who haven't given up their paychecks start calling on others to be willing to do so?

I'm starting to see more reports of widespread vaccine being available in March or April. I wonder how long before people start calling for a lockdown until then. I mean, what's half a year with no pay?

 

[Touchdown]

When has anyone on this thread advocated that going to work is wrong? No one has, there might be some line of work that in needlessly unsafe currently but it’s not those workers fault for continuing to want that job. If only a large entity existed that had the power to print money, create rules and spread money to those who needed it in this crisis such that businesses who shouldn’t be open right now could afford to be closed. Wouldn’t that be nice?

 

[Patcheslee]

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Indiana is worse now

When has anyone on this thread advocated that going to work is wrong? No one has, there might be some line of work that in needlessly unsafe currently but it’s not those workers fault for continuing to want that job. If only a large entity existed that had the power to print money, create rules and spread money to those who needed it in this crisis such that businesses who shouldn’t be open right now could afford to be closed. Wouldn’t that be nice?

It CAN be wrong in some circumstances. Medical professionals are being told to still work even when positive. That one drives me nuts, they are trying to save ppl and have to worry about infecting even more people themselves.
Other employers require ppl to report to work even if someone in the home is pending test results.
And worse others with a policy that if someone is symptomatic but don't go get tested they can still work.

 

[_caleb]

Don't you just love when people who haven't given up their paychecks start calling on others to be willing to do so?

I'm starting to see more reports of widespread vaccine being available in March or April. I wonder how long before people start calling for a lockdown until then. I mean, what's half a year with no pay?

What I love is when people react in snarky ways to things nobody is saying.

 

[Touchdown]

Indiana is worse now

It CAN be wrong in some circumstances. Medical professionals are being told to still work even when positive. That one drives me nuts, they are trying to save ppl and have to worry about infecting even more people themselves.
Other employers require ppl to report to work even if someone in the home is pending test results.
And worse others with a policy that if someone is symptomatic but don't go get tested they can still work.

It’s called triaging, and it’s what you do in mass casualty situations. In the state where this is in place there are so few doctors and nurses compared to patients that people will literally die if they don’t go to work. Therefore, they have arranged for asymptomatic positives to still go to work but only take care of Covid patients. It’s not ideal and risks infecting more of the workforce but in times of crisis may be needed. That’s how bad it is now.


As for business forcing people to work with pending tests, unless they also deal with life and death situations that’s wrong but the fault does not lie with the employee but the employer.

 

[_caleb]

When you start mailing me paychecks i will stay in my home and never leave. I cannot work from home and my job inevitably has me visiting dozens of restuarants a week.

No one is saying that you should “stay home and never leave.“

In the post you responded to, I was saying that people should not be gathering for Thanksgiving meals this year. That‘s not the same thing as “stay home and never leave” or “quit your job.”

All along, I’ve been saying:

Even if we all face the same level of risk of exposure or infection (and statistics say we don’t), some of our neighbors have much more at stake than many of us.

So many people are not able to keep gainful employment in this economy, work from home, be able to afford to take time off work (with or without pay) to quarantine if needed, have the sense of security that comes with access to good healthcare, or have enough money to even consider a trip to WDW.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It’s called triaging, and it’s what you do in mass casualty situations. In the state where this is in place there are so few doctors and nurses compared to patients that people will literally die if they don’t go to work. Therefore, they have arranged for asymptotic positives to still go to work but only take care of Covid patients. It’s not ideal and risks infecting more of the workforce but in times of crisis may be needed. That’s how bad it is now.

As for business forcing people to work with pending tests, unless they also deal with life and death situations that’s wrong but the fault does not lie with the employee but the employer.

The fact that we're even talking about a mass casualty situation tells you how poorly this has been managed.

 

[drizgirl]

When has anyone on this thread advocated that going to work is wrong? No one has, there might be some line of work that in needlessly unsafe currently but it’s not those workers fault for continuing to want that job. If only a large entity existed that had the power to print money, create rules and spread money to those who needed it in this crisis such that businesses who shouldn’t be open right now could afford to be closed. Wouldn’t that be nice?

Right? Because all you need is a good printing press. Just keep printing, just keep printing.

 

[Touchdown]

Right? Because all you need is a good printing press. Just keep printing, just keep printing.

In a crisis, absolutely. When we get over this plague and our economy is back on solid ground will be the time to pay. Not now.

 

[drizgirl]

In a crisis, absolutely. When we get over this plague and our economy is back on solid ground will be the time to pay. Not now.

How many trillion are you OK with?

 

[Disstevefan1]

 

[Touchdown]

How many trillion are you OK with?

Whatever it takes to get us through this crisis. Signed one of the people who would bare the brunt of the tax burden.

 

[GoofGoof]

When you start mailing me paychecks i will stay in my home and never leave. I cannot work from home and my job inevitably has me visiting dozens of restuarants a week.

Did you quote me here by accident? My post about the vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with you staying home from work. It’s good news for everyone.

On that topic, now that cases are surging again most places states should all be requiring anyone who can work from home to do so. I know a few people with office type jobs that worked from home for months and went back to the office in Aug/Sep. Those people should return to home IMHO. In most places restaurants and bars should be reducing capacity and where needed go to takeout only. The people cooking the food still have to go to work same as grocery store workers, bus drivers, cops and nurses. It’s not possible for everyone to work from home, but we should be reducing interactions as much as possible. There should also be another relief bill to help out those who are impacted.

IMHO the number of people in WalMart or a grocery store isn’t the biggest issue. Indoor dining is much more problematic and it seems like private gatherings are a big issue now. I’d rather see a move by every state (or even better a national move) to ban private gatherings of more than 10 people or 2 family groups. Indoor dining should be limited even further (no bar seating and capacity limited) and the same rule should apply to tables, no more than 10 people or 2 family groups seated together. I know some restaurants can’t survive under those restrictions. Again, we need more relief funds for businesses and employees who are impacted.

 

[GoofGoof]

How many trillion are you OK with?

So you oppose providing relief for the people impacted by this pandemic? How many trillion did we lose by cutting taxes on the extremely wealthy and corporations (who primarily used their tax benefit to buy more shares back)? It’s a worldwide pandemic and we absolutely need to provide relief for people who can’t work due to that.

 

[Patcheslee]

Just got back from my Wal-Mart trip. The urgent care clinic (where they do rapid tests) I drove by had a line of about 20ppl outside at 10am this morning. I've never seen a line at any testing site since this started, so hopefully that means they will get caught up with people waiting on available tests.

 

[GoofGoof]

Indiana is worse now

I saw a few states were over 50%. How is that even possible 8 months into this. Back in April NYC and NJ were north of 50% positive because we just didn’t have the testing capacity and many people with mild symptoms were told to just quarantine and they weren’t even testing anyone without symptoms. We have had months to ramp up. Its inexcusable to be that far behind on testing that the percent positive gets that high.

 

[JoeCamel]

Just got back from my Wal-Mart trip. The urgent care clinic (where they do rapid tests) I drove by had a line of about 20ppl outside at 10am this morning. I've never seen a line at any testing site since this started, so hopefully that means they will get caught up with people waiting on available tests.

Despite a story about wally limiting shoppers my local had both entrances operating and no one formally counting the ins and outs this morning.

 

[DisneyCane]

What? If everyone at Walmart is wearing a mask and nobody in the store spends more than a few seconds within six feet of another person (except maybe in the checkout line if people don't follow the markings), why could there be an issue if someone is showing symptoms? What difference would that make?

Because a symptomatic person is going to likely be a lot more contagious and be able to spew a ton of virus with one cough or sneeze and despite a mask, if they don't cover the cough/sneeze, droplets will travel more than 6 feet.