Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

As a proud veteran of the US military, but one who has lived in 3 other first world countries for periods of time, allow me to say.... Nope, we simply aren't, both on a purely subjective level and according to any number of metrics. And it seems sometimes that we've all but given up trying. And if that statement comes across as unpatriotic, well, forgive me for wanting my country to do a little better sometimes.

We are far from the worst country in the world, but our rankings in things like literacy, health, economic mobility, developmental indices, the Gini coefficient and others show pretty much that we simply aren't the best in many, many things.

I was surprised to hear that a study done by the CIA was Cuba was 5th best in the world in literacy and USA was 23rd best in the world. I know some people from Cuba. They advised Castro pushed for the residents to be literate and the island has many medical schools where the brightest go to at government expense. Then the doctors are sent around the world to other socialist countries to practice in their field.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I hope that curve continues for you,

Thanks. It seems a bit hard to predict in Europe. Belgium continues to be surprising as I would have thought they have much the same cultural advantages of Germany and Netherlands as living relatively self-contained lives with little physical contact. But things seem to be going horribly across the border about an hour from where I live.

It was getting a little intense here, with patients being airlifted to Germany as hospitals reached capacity and I did come home a week or so back to see someone from next-door being carried out coughing and carted off in an ambulance. They have had a very stubborn, libertarian attitude on issues like masks and also widespread indifference to the fate of "people who are going to die anyway" until recently. So, you can take comfort that it's not only the US where this happens!

 

[Heppenheimer]

Thanks. It seems a bit hard to predict in Europe. Belgium continues to be surprising as I would have thought they have much the same cultural advantages of Germany and Netherlands as living relatively self-contained lives with little physical contact. But things seem to be going horribly across the border about an hour from where I live.

It was getting a little intense here, with patients being airlifted to Germany as hospitals reached capacity and I did come home a week or so back to see someone from next-door being carried out coughing and carted off in an ambulance. They have had a very stubborn, libertarian attitude on issues like masks and also widespread indifference to the fate of "people who are going to die anyway" until recently. So, you can take comfort that it's not only the US where this happens!

Using words to describe such people in English would get censored, but probably not in Dutch, so lets just call them klootzakken.

 

[GoofGoof]

Therein lies some confusion. States like Illinois and Cali with strict mask mandates, closures, etc are also surging

Not as bad on a per capita basis. CA for example is top 10 best right now for cases per 100,000 people they just have 40M people.

 

[GoofGoof]

I have yet to hear how people in the "we just need to live with the virus" would suggest we deal with this issue.

Simple. They just don’t care. As long as they can do whatever they want to do they could care less how it impacts anyone else: healthcare workers, first responders, anyone else. It’s the definition of being self centered.

 

[GoofGoof]

Until they are...

Yep, or someone they love. I’ve heard people say they are doing higher risk stuff and not following the rules but they avoid contact with their older relatives so they don’t get them sick. What they fail to realize is they are exposing other people’s relatives and high risk individuals. So while they may not infect their relatives someone just like them who happens to work at their parent’s doctor’s office or the supermarket they shop at can. You can’t just focus on yourself and your own. The greater good extends beyond someone you know or love.

 

[carolina_yankee]

A great article that outlines the current/impending health crisis from the perspective of health care providers.

‘No One Is Listening to Us’

More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this.

www.theatlantic.com

I have yet to hear how people in the "we just need to live with the virus" would suggest we deal with this issue.

What I find particularly challenging is that those whose expertise is in these fields warned us this was coming. Our response was a bit of a collective shrug with a bit of an "American Can't Do" attitude. The only way we are going to learn is to go through it. This is what denial looks like.

I think a good response to those who argue "live life" as an excuse for no safety mandates is that we can learn to "live life" through simpler things for a short period so that we can live life through more festive things more quickly and for longer.

Life is never going back to the way it was, even with treatments and vaccines because this has changed the world, so the opportunity for personal, spiritual, emotional growth is to learn how to find joy in whatever way it will be going forward.

 

[danlb_2000]

What I find particularly challenging is that those whose expertise is in these fields warned us this was coming. Our response was a bit of a collective shrug with a bit of an "American Can't Do" attitude. The only way we are going to learn is to go through it. This is what denial looks like.

People are tired of the pandemic, can we just re-schedule the holiday spike in cases to a more convenient time?

 

[carolina_yankee]

People are tired of the pandemic, can we just re-schedule the holiday spike in cases to a more convenient time?

I"m exhausted by all this, too, so I totally empathize with that part of the equation. Fortunately, we now have a timeline to work toward. If we can come together and hunker down for the next few months, we will begin to see significant improve come April, May, and into summer. We will be moving onto the other side of this. I can give this brief remaining time my all in order to get there. For the common good, and for the sake of the more vulnerable.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I think it may come down to regional lockdowns and Gov taking matters into their own hands even more. For example, on the west coast, we have been partnering with Oregon and Washington on a lot of things, it may get to a point where the pact says "we are completely locking down." The northeast states are having an emergency meeting ,they could do the same thing as well. Its going to get to a point where it is LITERALLY every state for themselves, because some of these red states will NEVER do what's best for the greater good.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Austria completely locking down

Covid cases rising, Austria plans lockdown beginning Tuesday

Austria had used a lighter touch to deal with the virus's second wave, but new daily cases hit a record Friday — at nine times higher than the first wave's peak.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Jwink]

I think it may come down to regional lockdowns and Gov taking matters into their own hands even more. For example, on the west coast, we have been partnering with Oregon and Washington on a lot of things, it may get to a point where the pact says "we are completely locking down." The northeast states are having an emergency meeting ,they could do the same thing as well. Its going to get to a point where it is LITERALLY every state for themselves, because some of these red states will NEVER do what's best for the greater good.

Yeah too bad for us in Florida

 

[GoofGoof]

I think it may come down to regional lockdowns and Gov taking matters into their own hands even more. For example, on the west coast, we have been partnering with Oregon and Washington on a lot of things, it may get to a point where the pact says "we are completely locking down." The northeast states are having an emergency meeting ,they could do the same thing as well. Its going to get to a point where it is LITERALLY every state for themselves, because some of these red states will NEVER do what's best for the greater good.

I saw somewhere that the suggestion from the incoming administration was to have the equivalent of a dimmer switch where activity could be dialed up or down situationally and by state or region. I’ve been saying this for a while now, but it’s good to hear someone in a position of power is actually considering this approach. I don’t think the country has an appetite for a national lockdown but as the situation deteriorates with case spread and hospital capacity in various places we have no choice but to pull back substantially. I believe that in the places where the pull back happens sooner and more effectively there will be a quicker return to pre-surge levels. In places that resist restrictions cases will rage out of control and they will eventually be forced to pull back...see FL and TX over the summer.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 44 new reported deaths.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I saw somewhere that the suggestion from the incoming administration was to have the equivalent of a dimmer switch where activity could be dialed up or down situationally and by state or region. I’ve been saying this for a while now, but it’s good to hear someone in a position of power is actually considering this approach. I don’t think the country has an appetite for a national lockdown but as the situation deteriorates with case spread and hospital capacity in various places we have no choice but to pull back substantially. I believe that in the places where the pull back happens sooner and more effectively there will be a quicker return to pre-surge levels. In places that resist restrictions cases will rage out of control and they will eventually be forced to pull back...see FL and TX over the summer.

We have been using the Dimmer switch in CA since we rushed the May reopening, it works well. Something has to be done, now, I'm happy we have a new leader who will actually do something, but we can't afford to wait 3 months. I'm just absolutely saddened that its become a shrug for many people.

I lose hope when looking at the Summer surge of Texas and Florida because they barely did anything to mitigate the surge. If they didn't do it then, why would other states do it now?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

This is a fantastic article

It’s Time to Hunker Down

A devastating surge is here. Unless Americans act aggressively, it will get much larger, very quickly.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[GoofGoof]

Numbers are out - there were 44 new reported deaths.

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9.95%

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Perhaps the most shocking thing right now is how quickly we went from 100,000 cases a day, to nearly 200,000 cases a day. I knew it was spreading fast but It took us quite a while to reach 100,000 cases a day, and we finally did less than 2 weeks ago. Now, we could be at 200,000 cases a day in a matter of days. Thats a 2 week jump from 100K to 200K. That should scare everyone.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Death by date in Florida

 

[carolina_yankee]

Death by date in Florida
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Those recent date numbers will grow as more deaths are added. Deaths are not declining.