Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[willtravel]

Fact: Millions of people who have received the measles vaccine have died.

Fact. Many people lived because they received the measles vaccine.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You can be fined $50 for not wearing a mask on PATH, at the airport or bus terminal

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is the latest agency to impose a $50 fine on passengers who refuse to wear a face covering starting on Nov. 2.

www.nj.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Fact. Many people lived because they received the measles vaccine.

The counter to these stupid zingers are starting to be obvious...it’s like fishing with dynamite

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You can be fined $50 for not wearing a mask on PATH, at the airport or bus terminal

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is the latest agency to impose a $50 fine on passengers who refuse to wear a face covering starting on Nov. 2.

www.nj.com

I actually heard this in advance (do some port authority work)....the timing makes sense

 

[danlb_2000]

Fact. Many people lived because they received the measles vaccine.

Every person who receives a vaccine will die.

 

[Chi84]

Every person who receives a vaccine will die.

I hope that joke isn’t lost on people

 

[danlb_2000]

I hope that joke isn’t lost on people

People will hear what they want to hear.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Do you think Disney world is operating under draconian measures?

Yes, in the sense that masks are required by everyone over the age of 2, no exceptions for anything at all, period. And those that don’t comply are asked to leave.

It’s a draconian level of mask enforcement which I wholeheartedly agree with. And is one of the reasons they are operating safely and responsibly at this time.

 

[Polkadotdress]

No, that just means they don't make the decisions you want them to make. It is quite possible that a person decides to take the risks for themselves and also makes the choice not to be around high risk people. Of course there will always be outliers to anything but that doesn't remove the responsibility from yourself or any other person not to associate with people who don't follow their set of values.

But, I have “no choice” but to interact with those in my workplace who have made risky decisions. And that’s not OK.

 

[Chi84]

Yes, in the sense that masks are required by everyone over the age of 2, no exceptions for anything at all, period. And those that don’t comply are asked to leave.

It’s a draconian level of mask enforcement which I wholeheartedly agree with. And is one of the reasons they are operating safely and responsibly at this time.

Yeah I wish they would raise the age. I don’t feel any safer seeing a 2-year-old asleep in a stroller with a mask covering his mouth and nose.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah I wish they would raise the age. I don’t feel any safer seeing a 2-year-old asleep in a stroller with a mask covering his mouth and nose.

I think they are just following CDC guidelines. Same with airlines and other businesses. Disney is in the business to entertain so I’m comfortable with them deferring to health experts on these type of decisions. For me personally I 100% would not bring a toddler in a stroller to WDW with a mask. I’d just pass and go back when it’s not required.

 

[Chi84]

I think they are just following CDC guidelines. Same with airlines and other businesses. Disney is in the business to entertain so I’m comfortable with them deferring to health experts on these type of decisions. For me personally I 100% would not bring a toddler in a stroller to WDW with a mask. I’d just pass and go back when it’s not required.

I understand why they chose the age. Not all businesses are requiring it and I hope it’s the first mask requirement they modify.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Yes, in the sense that masks are required by everyone over the age of 2, no exceptions for anything at all, period. And those that don’t comply are asked to leave.

It’s a draconian level of mask enforcement which I wholeheartedly agree with. And is one of the reasons they are operating safely and responsibly at this time.

People apparently operate under different definitions. Draconian has a definition of "excessively harsh and severe". Some may find a mask requirement not excessively harsh nor severe. Some may.

Just like different groups define "great" differently.

 

[MissingDisney]

Thread word of the day: draconian

 

[GoofGoof]

But, I have “no choice” but to interact with those in my workplace who have made risky decisions. And that’s not OK.

This is a point just flat missed by a lot of people. These restrictions are not about the level of risk to yourself that you are willing to take but the risk you by default put on others around you. For example with the travel quarantine rules nobody is stopping people from traveling to a hot spot, they are just telling people to quarantine on return. This way you are free to travel and take whatever level of personal risk you want but you aren’t free to spread that risk to others when you get home. It’s impractical to do the same thing for a bar or attending a party because the people who go are not going to be willing to then do a 14 day quarantine after each activity.

 

[GoofGoof]

I understand why they chose the age. Not all businesses are requiring it and I hope it’s the first mask requirement they modify.

I think at one point the WHO had the age at 5 instead of 2 so it’s possible the CDC moves that guideline at some point. I wouldn’t expect Disney to change it unless the CDC does but anything is possible.

 

[Chi84]

I think at one point the WHO had the age at 5 instead of 2 so it’s possible the CDC moves that guideline at some point. I wouldn’t expect Disney to change it unless the CDC does but anything is possible.

I expect Disney to change it as soon as possible, given its target audience. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they changed it before the CDC does. It’s just another one of those things neither one of us knows, as hard as that may be to accept.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can't open Disneyland - the anti-vaxers cause measles outbreaks there. Moose out front should have told 'ya

Internet Winner of the day

Fact: Millions of people who have received the measles vaccine have died.

All for them born prior to about 1925...by my count

See??!111... Ended!!!!

Ended very BIGLY!! Yuge!!!

 

[SamusAranX]

Every person who receives a vaccine will die.

FACT: 100 percent of serial killers have admitted to drinking water at some point in their life

 

[GoofGoof]

I expect Disney to change it as soon as possible, given its target audience. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they changed it before the CDC does. It’s just another one of those things neither one of us knows, as hard as that may be to accept.

It’s really not hard to accept at all considering I never said I knew anything for sure. It’s my opinion that they will keep their rule in line with CDC recomendations just like you have an opinion that they will change the rule as soon as possible and before the CDC does. I don’t think you are saying you know that for sure so not sure why you would think I was saying that.

Here’s the basis for my opinion. From the Disney website know before you go section on Covid they directly they state:

Welcoming You Back to Walt Disney World Resort​

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As you prepare to visit, please know that we’ve made updates based on guidance from health authorities, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and appropriate government agencies.

It may be different from the last time you visited. But together, we can find new ways to create magical moments—and memories to treasure.

Under face coverings they say:

Face Coverings​

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Face coverings are required for all Guests (ages 2 and up) and Cast Members. Please bring your own face coverings and wear them at all times, except when dining or swimming. You may remove your face covering while actively eating or drinking, but you should be stationary and maintain appropriate physical distancing.

All face coverings (whether disposable or reusable) must:

• Be made with at least 2 layers of breathable material
• Fully cover the nose and mouth and secure under the chin
• Fit snugly but comfortably against the side of the face
• Be secured with ties or ear loops and allow the Guest to remain hands-free

At this time, based on guidance from health authorities, neck gaiters, open-chin triangle bandanas and face coverings containing valves, mesh material or holes of any kind are not acceptable face coverings.
Costume masks are also not considered appropriate and are prohibited from being worn, in alignment with our existing rules.
The use of face coverings is not a substitute for physical distancing.

Both sections clearly state that they are relying on guidelines from health authorities like the CDC. Disney was also pretty clear in their re-opening press releases (I think it was a chief medical officer for Disney parks that released a statement) that they would be following the recommendations from various health authorities as opposed to the requirements of the state of Florida. It’s always possible that they change their mind and start to stray from CDC guidelines but IMHO that’s not likely especially given the success of their re-opening and the overwhelming positive response to it.