Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don’t disagree, but if someone is Covid positive and also has co-morbidities they still have Covid so the positive cases aren’t inflated. I agree it’s a grey area on deaths but that’s the case with most contagious diseases. The majority of people dying from the flu each year also have co-morbidities.

my understanding is that most cancer deaths are diseases that the body can’t fight off because of the cancer.

 

[GoofGoof]

It could just as easily go the other way, though. We now have enough experience to know that most people who catch COVID-19 can safely convalesce at home with only supportive treatment, and one of the best predictors if the patient will get into trouble with the disease are the vital signs when they first present. Knowing all the resources that a COVID patient will consume plus the fact that elective procedures have to stop once a hospital's COVID burden is too high, there's actually a pretty significant incentive not to admit.

But that's an individualized decision that needs to be made between the ER attending, hospitalist and bed manager.

For sure. In the beginning we knew so little I think the plan was to be overly cautious. In March/April around me most primary care doctors wouldn’t even see patients live in the office who potentially had Covid. Lots of people were told to go straight to the ER. Today we do know more and there’s probably less people being admitted.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

In the beginning there MAY have been mistakes, but rightfully so. In the Spring everyone was trapped underwater by frozen ice without an idea of what to do. Now we are at least treading with our heads over the water, its getting exhausting, but were at least breathing.

 

[Miss Bella]

my understanding is that most cancer deaths are diseases that the body can’t fight off because of the cancer.

My father had stage 4 lung cancer, got the flu, became septic and passed away. I would not say he died from the flu.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

My father had stage 4 lung cancer, got the flu, became septic and passed away. I would not say he died from the flu.

Neither would I.

 

[Heppenheimer]

My father had stage 4 lung cancer, got the flu, became septic and passed away. I would not say he died from the flu.

But the death certificate rightly would list influenza. Based on the information you gave, if it was filled out properly, the immediate cause would be sepsis from influenza, with lung cancer as a significant underlying factor.

 

[GoofGoof]

My father had stage 4 lung cancer, got the flu, became septic and passed away. I would not say he died from the flu.

That’s where the grey area comes in. That’s why they list co-morbidities on a death certificate vs just 1 cause of death. I can see where you are coming from, but I don’t think this is a new development with Covid. Like I said, many of the deaths from flu have similar co-morbidities to the ones from Covid.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Who did you hear that from?

Disney’s accountants??

It’s better for them on all levels

 

[Jwink]

Who did you hear that from?

Cast member who heard ‘buzz’... so not an official word or anything.

according to him Disney likes the system and has wanted to implement it for a while.

 

[GoofGoof]

Disney’s accountants??

It’s better for them on all levels

As long as there are capacity limits they have to have a reservation system and I can’t see capacity limits going away any time soon.

Pre-Covid and/or post Covid with FP+ reservations they had/have a good idea where most people were going to go each day. Not all, but a large number of people. That helps with staffing and other operations decisions. Since they allow 60 day for resort guest and 30 day for AP FP+ reservations they know in advance how to staff the parks. I don’t think the reservation system is as beneficial if they bring FP+ back. They also up-charge for park hopping so there’s economic incentive to bring that back. Without capacity limits the reservation system would only limit guests in parks on a handful of days so I really don’t see a need for it post-Covid unless you plan to not bring back park hopping and FP+.

 

[GoofGoof]

Cast member who heard ‘buzz’... so not an official word or anything.

according to him Disney likes the system and has wanted to implement it for a while.

I could maybe see linking it to FP+ and dining reservations and saying you can only book a FP reservation or ADR in a park you have reserved to visit. If you cancel a park reservation for that day they would automatically cancel your ADR and FP reservations. All that really does is require a park ticket purchase prior to booking ADRs and FP reservations. Not much different than today.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

That helps with staffing and other operations decisions.

This is a very new, yet important factor. (layoffs)

 

[wdisney9000]

That’s where the grey area comes in. That’s why they list co-morbidities on a death certificate vs just 1 cause of death. I can see where you are coming from, but I don’t think this is a new development with Covid. Like I said, many of the deaths from flu have similar co-morbidities to the ones from Covid.

My cousin runs a large trucking company. One of his employees recently had a child who committed suicide. It was a teenager who hung herself. She was a healthy teenager but suffered with depression, which is becoming more common with teenagers Her death was labelled covid. The father was livid. He demanded an answer and also wanted to see documentation. They have yet to produce anything.

Not saying this is an everyday occurrence or that covid is a hoax. It's ridiculous that people have to add that disclaimer when questioning any aspect of this (alleged) pandemic.

 

[GoofGoof]

This is a very new, yet important factor. (layoffs)

For sure. My point was that with FP+ you already know which park most people plan to visit each day. Forcing a reservation only captures the people not using FP+ but anyone could cancel on a whim and rebook a different park on almost any day once capacity limits are gone...unless they plan to limit park capacity going forward not for virus safety but for general guest satisfaction and essentially force people into the less popular parks.

 

[Jwink]

I could maybe see linking it to FP+ and dining reservations and saying you can only book a FP reservation or ADR in a park you have reserved to visit. If you cancel a park reservation for that day they would automatically cancel your ADR and FP reservations. All that really does is require a park ticket purchase prior to booking ADRs and FP reservations. Not much different than today.

So if you’re a cast member you could still just walk in?

 

[GoofGoof]

So if you’re a cast member you could still just walk in?

I would assume you just book a reservation that day. If there are no capacity limits I would think it wouldn’t be a problem.

 

[GoofGoof]

My cousin runs a large trucking company. One of his employees recently had a child who committed suicide. It was a teenager who hung herself. She was a healthy teenager but suffered with depression, which is becoming more common with teenagers Her death was labelled covid. The father was livid. He demanded an answer and also wanted to see documentation. They have yet to produce anything.

Not saying this is an everyday occurrence or that covid is a hoax. It's ridiculous that people have to add that disclaimer when questioning any aspect of this (alleged) pandemic.

You are free to believe this pandemic is alleged. You don’t need a disclaimer.

 

[Jrb1979]

I could maybe see linking it to FP+ and dining reservations and saying you can only book a FP reservation or ADR in a park you have reserved to visit. If you cancel a park reservation for that day they would automatically cancel your ADR and FP reservations. All that really does is require a park ticket purchase prior to booking ADRs and FP reservations. Not much different than today.

As has been the rumor for awhile, FP+ isn't coming back like it was. From what's been said it will most likely be a paid system. I can see the reservation system staying but with no capacity limits it will be easy to book a park. For that matter if you wanted to hop to another park you book it that day while in the park.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Cast member who heard ‘buzz’... so not an official word or anything.

according to him Disney likes the system and has wanted to implement it for a while.

Disney for some time has wanted to have very dynamic pricing that changes day-to-day sort of the way the price of an airline ticket can change radically. Reservations may stay to give Disney more data but at some point they would likely be plentiful enough to be just another obnoxious hurdle of preplanning that most accept and many praise even though it exists to give you as barely acceptable of an experience as possible.

 

[GoofGoof]

As has been the rumor for awhile, FP+ isn't coming back like it was. From what's been said it will most likely be a paid system. I can see the reservation system staying but with no capacity limits it will be easy to book a park. For that matter if you wanted to hop to another park you book it that day while in the park.

Rumors are just that...rumors. FP+ may not come back (unlikely given the money invested), it may come back different than before or it may come back exactly the same. I don’t think anyone knows for sure, even senior management at Disney. It’s been rumored since FP + was rolled out that it would become a paid service but that hasn’t happened so far. I’m not saying it won’t happen just that it’s not a given either right now.