This thread wouldn’t be over 2000 pages long if we all saw things the same way.
If the virus hadn't been made into a political campaign of denial, we wouldn't be 2000 pages in.
This thread wouldn’t be over 2000 pages long if we all saw things the same way.
I have said it before that this thread has legs. Very entertaining.If the virus hadn't been made into a political campaign of denial, we wouldn't be 2000 pages in.
Yes, agreed. People can look at X number of positive cases and feel that’s positive or negative based on what their individual interpretation of what’s a good or bad number. Same with percent positive, total tests performed, etc... I’m fine with that and that’s the point of a discussion board. Someone says “I think X is a good number because...blah blah blah“ and then someone posts a counter that they disagree because “I look at it this way instead”. It’s when someone decides that the data or facts are flawed or purposely misrepresented because they don’t support their narrative that I find fault. An error in reporting can happen and if they tell you there was an error and fix it the next day I don‘t see that as some sort of evidence of corruption or lack of truth in the data reporting or a good excuse to ignore available data.I don’t think there is anything contraction about people having different interpretations. Basically I agree with Goof Goof.
♫ And she knows how to use them. ♫I have said it before that this thread has legs.
Yeah, but some people care for more than just themself. With 7+ billion people or 330 million, 1% is a lot.The difference in aerospace engineering is that every aircraft is used for over 10,000 flights and each flight is an independent event as far as failure probabilities go. Therefore, if an aircraft only has a 1% failure rate, it is essentially guaranteed to fail during its service life. If you were a pilot or cabin crew member on an aircraft like that you'd be almost guaranteed to be in a crash.
The 737MAX had a far lower than 1% failure rate (I think it was around 0.002%) before they grounded it to fix the issue.
With a disease, each person will hopefully only get the disease one time. Therefore, 99.4% (or whatever the number is) survival means something far different in the context of a disease.
Yes, it’s entertaining to watch stupidity continue to stupid. I’d call it devastating.I have said it before that this thread has legs. Very entertaining.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Yes, even you are entertaining.
I don’t think the moderators want us bringing up politics.If the virus hadn't been made into a political campaign of denial, we wouldn't be 2000 pages in.
We all want out of this mess. We all know that a vaccine is the quickest and easiest way out. Nobody should be opposed to it. Lay your politics aside and do what’s best for every one. I can’t understand how anyone would be opposed to a vaccine if it’s deemed safe and effective. There should be no argument, just celebration.![]()
Q&A: Where Are We in the COVID-19 Vaccine Race?
Drugmakers and research centers around the world are working on COVID-19 vaccines, with large global trials of several of the candidates involving tens of thousands of participants well underway.www.medscape.com
Looks like Pfizer will probably start to review their trial data by the end of the month. Get your popcorn, because that's when the real fight starts in this thread (and the sister thread over in the politics forums should get even more interesting).
We all want out of this mess. We all know that a vaccine is the quickest and easiest way out. Nobody should be opposed to it. Lay your politics aside and do what’s best for every one. I can’t understand how anyone would be opposed to a vaccine if it’s deemed safe and effective. There should be no argument, just celebration.
Especially after the recent updates to the review process. It’s definitely a balancing act between two times being of the essence, but we’ll have a good bit of data by the time we get to November. Enough for most, I hope.We all want out of this mess. We all know that a vaccine is the quickest and easiest way out. Nobody should be opposed to it. Lay your politics aside and do what’s best for every one. I can’t understand how anyone would be opposed to a vaccine if it’s deemed safe and effective. There should be no argument, just celebration.
I don't expect much fight (here, at least) on the merits of a vaccine, once approved. I suspect, however, that this will trigger a battle on how fast to move towards a return to normal, pre-COVID everyday life. Heck, we don't even have a vaccine yet, cases are surging in the Midwest and look at the arguments here for or against travel quarantines and other restrictions.We all want out of this mess. We all know that a vaccine is the quickest and easiest way out. Nobody should be opposed to it. Lay your politics aside and do what’s best for every one. I can’t understand how anyone would be opposed to a vaccine if it’s deemed safe and effective. There should be no argument, just celebration.
It's under 1% and you're assuming 100% of people get it. Also, my position of caring has always been about trade-offs and the detrimental effects on the 7.7 billion+ people (even using the 100% get it assumption) that are not killed by it. I don't want to start arguing about that again but I had to respond to the implication that I don't care about anybody except for myself.Yeah, but some people care for more than just themself. With 7+ billion people or 330 million, 1% is a lot.
The answer to how fast is that once the vaccine is available to anybody that wants it there should no longer be any restrictions. Yes, some people will still contract it because the vaccine won't be 100% effective but I would expect that the level of herd immunity developed by people taking the vaccine will keep the case numbers lower than they are currently after going back to normal.I don't expect much fight (here, at least) on the merits of a vaccine, once approved. I suspect, however, that this will trigger a fight on how fast to move towards a return to normal, pre-COVID everyday life.
That's part of the puzzle...it's going to take time to get to the point where anyone who wants a vaccine is able to get it. From what I recall, the estimate was ~6 months.The answer to how fast is that once the vaccine is available to anybody that wants it there should no longer be any restrictions. Yes, some people will still contract it because the vaccine won't be 100% effective but I would expect that the level of herd immunity developed by people taking the vaccine will keep the case numbers lower than they are currently after going back to normal.
Yeah, agreed that part is going to be an issue. Once the vaccine is approved it will take quite some time to vaccinate everyone. I think there’s an element of society who will want to remove all restrictions as soon as the vaccine is approved. Realistically it will probably need to be more based on number of cases and statistics vs just having the vaccine available. In theory once enough people get vaccinated the virus will not be able to spread and will decline in the community. Then we remove restrictions. So for example if people start getting vaccinated in January but it takes 12 months to vaccinate everyone who wants a vaccine we don’t remove restrictions in Jan when the first person gets poked but we also don’t need to wait until December when everyone who wants it has it. We probably can start removing restrictions sometime in the middle when we hit the tipping point on new infection declines. What will be interesting is depending on how well the vaccine is received in different areas it may actually be that some states or regions remove restrictions faster than others. It could be a mess.I don't expect much fight (here, at least) on the merits of a vaccine, once approved. I suspect, however, that this will trigger a battle on how fast to move towards a return to normal, pre-COVID everyday life. Heck, we don't even have a vaccine yet, cases are surging in the Midwest and look at the arguments here for or against travel quarantines and other restrictions.
I don’t think we have to wait that long necessarily. If it takes 6-12 months for a full vaccine roll out we may see results before the full 12 months that could start the process of removing restrictions. At least I’m hopeful that happens. If not you could be right and it may take a lot longer.The answer to how fast is that once the vaccine is available to anybody that wants it there should no longer be any restrictions. Yes, some people will still contract it because the vaccine won't be 100% effective but I would expect that the level of herd immunity developed by people taking the vaccine will keep the case numbers lower than they are currently after going back to normal.
Things aren‘t pretty here already. The good part of what happened here is since we never got ahead of the virus and pushed cases down enough there’s no fear of a second wave...our first wave never ended.Are you watching what’s happening in Europe? If that’s coming to the USA things aren’t going to be pretty. :-/
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