Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[wdisney9000]

That is not how death certificates work. At all.

Who said anything at all about death certificates?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Who said anything at all about death certificates?

That is how public health agencies tally the numbers for various causes of death. It comes directly from what the attending physician certifies. To use your words, it is how we "label the cause of death..." in the medical profession.

So, if someone dies in a car accident, the cause of death is car accident. Cancer would not be mentioned if it was irrelevant to the cause of death.

Likewise, someone certifying a legal document (ie, death certificate) is likely only to include COVID-19 if they thought it directly contributed to the person's demise.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You make an extremely valid point. The only difference is that we don't have medical and media outlets telling people 24 x 7 to be cautious of smoking or hereditary issues.

We only a get a paid advertisment for a big pharma company promoting their latest concoction, which most likely includes symptoms far worse than the disease itself.

Anti-smoking ads run all the time. It is Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You make an extremely valid point. The only difference is that we don't have medical and media outlets telling people 24 x 7 to be cautious of smoking or hereditary issues.

We only a get a paid advertisment for a big pharma company promoting their latest concoction, which most likely includes symptoms far worse than the disease itself.

Cancer and heart disease aren't contagious - and there are anti-smoking ads, ads for the American Heart Association, etc. on TV all the time (not to mention the warnings on tobacco products).

 

[disneycp]

That is how public health agencies tally the numbers for various causes of death. It comes directly from what the attending physician certifies. To use your words, it is how we "label the cause of death..." in the medical profession.

So, if someone dies in a car accident, the cause of death is car accident. Cancer would not be mentioned if it was irrelevant to the cause of death.

Likewise, someone certifying a legal document (ie, death certificate) is likely only to include COVID-19 if they thought it directly contributed to the person's demise.

It won't let me post the article but the Washington Post published an article in August saying England was counting deaths of people who tested positive for COVID and then later died of other causes:

"A review revealed that a government agency had been counting people as having died of the virus regardless of when they tested positive — meaning even an asymptomatic carrier who was infected in March but was killed in a traffic accident in July would be considered a covid-19 death."

wdisney9000 was probably referring to that.

I don't know how widespread that specific issue is, but I don't see any reason to call someone a conspiracy theorist without doing a little research first.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It is overblown in the sense of how it's being covered. A large majority of any and all news coverage strictly focuses on new cases and deaths count only. Why? Especially considering that there are other issues causing a far larger death toll each year?

They've pounded away at that non stop for over 6 months. Very little (if any) mention of the 99% who will (and do) survive. Non stop coverage of death rates. Non stop coverage of new cases.

People have become so dependent (and trusting) of the media that they will defend it at all costs. If tomorrow the media began non stop coverage of a 99% recovery rate and strictly focussed on less than 1% fatality rate, you would have people throwing parades. The very same people who currently complain to a manager if someone in the store isn't wearing a mask.

We are all adults. I think we all know the survival rate. I don’t expect the news to tell me that a thousand survived today from Covid. What I want to know is where the hotspots are popping up.. is there a spike somewhere near me or somewhere I want to go..and the latest information on the actual virus, vaccines and other important info. That’s what I’m mostly seeing. They may be pounding away at the death rate because nothing like this comes along that often so if you fault them for that go ahead.

 

[disneycp]

We are all adults. I think we all know the survival rate. I don’t expect the news to tell me that a thousand survived today from Covid. What I want to know is where the hotspots are popping up.. is there a spike somewhere near me or somewhere I want to go..and the latest information on the actual virus, vaccines and other important info. That’s what I’m mostly seeing. They may be pounding away at the death rate because nothing like this comes along that often so if you fault them for that go ahead.

Honestly, there are a lot of people who are still going off the survival rate from March...I think giving people a better idea of what the actual survival rate is, broken out by age group, would be very enlightening for a lot of people.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Honestly, there are a lot of people who are still going off the survival rate from March...I think giving people a better idea of what the actual survival rate is, broken out by age group, would be very enlightening for a lot of people.

It’s a quick search for anyone that wants to know. I’ve also seen that on the news on occasion. If anyone wants answers it’s a finger click away.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Do you own your own business? If not, you have no idea of the impact all this causes.

And the politicization of all this has been detrimental to the stimulus packages. From both sides.

What if you applied "died with" not "from" to the death count to cancer or heart disease? The numbers would astronomical.

Person dies from a car accident, but they had cancer so we will label the cause of death as cancer.

I do not own my own business...but I work in a large one and it’s impacted greatly. Jobs have been eliminated...everyone has taken a hit to some degree. A couple years of uncertainty due to disruption of budgets and client cash flows.

I’ll thank you not to assume I’m incapable of understanding the different scenarios. Other measures could be taken in prolonged quarantines if it were necessary. I’m only advocating the best approach...not specific “demands”

Politicization has been bad...agree. It’s always a struggle.

You’re about the last person round here to try to misdirect with “car accidents” with covid...at least you did it creatively. Doesn’t work as a squirrel to chase...but whatever.

...and then ya missed the “deaths above average” (conveniently). The covid deaths are above average totals...which are statically valid and include car accidents, cancer, Disney buffet related diabetes deaths, the flu, the bird flu, quarantine related violence, meth ODs, etc etc etc.


Don’t be one of the LAST hoaxers. I beg of you, kind sir or madam?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

President being taken to the hospital.

...live camera shots of the helicopter landing on the lawn...every station.

 

[wdisney9000]

It’s a quick search for anyone that wants to know. I’ve also seen that on the news on occasion. If anyone wants answers it’s a finger click away.

Not everyone has the spare time or even the understanding of where to search for proper and actually accurate information. You have participated in this thread every day over the last 6 months. Literally every day.

The Council of Nine (including yourself) have determined what is or what is not allowed to be discussed in this thread in terms of accurate information because it is seriously your lifestyle at this point. And yes, I know that sounds like an insult when read in a text format.
Please know that it's not. Just a recognition of what happens every day in this thread. Any and all forms of dissent or objection are immediately labelled conspiracy or anti science.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A prominent person contracted the virus even though everybody that comes into contact with said person was tested EVERY DAY. If that didn't prevent the spread, how would contact tracing and isolation? Especially given the high percentage of completely asymptomatic infections.

I’m gonna hate myself...

But how did you first hear of this? Digital? Social? Or television?

 

[Miss Bella]

There are many Disney chat boards and I’m sure a lot of us have been to them but come back here because it’s the best by far.
I think what the good Sir is saying that with all the threads here.. thousands? .. hundreds of thousands?... whatever it is it’s a unbelievable coincidence that so many would start their online posting in this one.. tens of thousands of pages in.. and it seems most of it started after the hammer came down here. Possible? Of course. Probable? Not so much.

I dont know about best that’s a matter of opinion, but certainly the most contentious. At the moment it’s the only one that allows this kind of discussion and everything that comes with it.
I don’t know anything about the hammer coming down. I must have missed that.

 

[wdisney9000]

I do not own my own business...but I work in a large one and it’s impacted greatly. Jobs have been eliminated...everyone has taken a hit to some degree. A couple years of uncertainty due to disruption of budgets and client cash flows.

I’ll thank you not to assume I’m incapable of understanding the different scenarios. Other measures could be taken in prolonged quarantines if it were necessary. I’m only advocating the best approach...not specific “demands”

Politicization has been bad...agree. It’s always a struggle.

You’re about the last person round here to try to misdirect with “car accidents” with covid...at least you did it creatively. Doesn’t work as a squirrel to chase...but whatever.

...and then ya missed the “deaths above average” (conveniently). The covid deaths are above average totals...which are statically valid and include car accidents, cancer, Disney buffet related diabetes deaths, the flu, the bird flu, quarantine related violence, meth ODs, etc etc etc.


Don’t be one of the LAST hoaxers. I beg of you, kind sir or madam?

So you don't own your own business? That was a very long response to which the answer was/is "no". Got it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It won't let me post the article but the Washington Post published an article in August saying England was counting deaths of people who tested positive for COVID and then later died of other causes:

"A review revealed that a government agency had been counting people as having died of the virus regardless of when they tested positive — meaning even an asymptomatic carrier who was infected in March but was killed in a traffic accident in July would be considered a covid-19 death."

wdisney9000 was probably referring to that.

I don't know how widespread that specific issue is, but I don't see any reason to call someone a conspiracy theorist without doing a little research first.

I don't know how England certifies deaths, but in every jurisdication where I've worked in the US (including the military), you only list the proximate cause of death and the underlying conditions that directly contributed .

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So you don't own your own business? That was a very long response to which the answer was/is "no". Got it.

It was a short answer to that. And contrary to politics...this isn’t ONLY about small business (for instance...do you remember where the first $500,000,000,000 of bailout money went? Do you?)

But then you threw a whole bunch of crap at the wall after that “simple question” ...none of it stuck.

And about your business. Assuming you own one. I want minimal damage to it, to you, to your employees, your suppliers, etc. I’d be all for any all assistance.

That doesn’t mean I can fully support cavalier measures or inaction.

 

[DCBaker]

"The initial draft guidelines from the state for reopening California theme parks reportedly call for:

• Individual theme parks can reopen only once their county reaches the least-restrictive “minimal” risk level
• Operate at 25% of attendance capacity
• Limit visitors to residents living within a 120-mile radius of each theme park

The state’s draft guidelines present two key problems for theme parks:

• Placing theme parks in the final tier of the Blueprint for a Safer Economy means the severity of the guidelines never change until the pandemic ends
• Reaching the least-restrictive “minimal” tier could be difficult to nearly impossible for California’s most-populous counties

The draft guidelines likely would prevent California theme parks from reopening for weeks or months.

California theme parks likely would not be able to set reopening dates until their respective counties entered the “minimal” tier — or not at all if their counties were stuck at a more-restrictive level.

Theme parks located in counties at the “substantial” level — like Disneyland and Knott’s — won’t be able to reach the least-restrictive “minimal” level for at least three to six weeks. Universal and Magic Mountain are at least six to nine weeks away — if and when Los Angeles County moves from the highest risk level to the lowest. The movement of counties to lower risk levels is dependent on continued improvement in reducing the number of new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of tests that come back positive. Progress will vary by county."

"At best, under the draft guideline proposal, California theme parks would not be able to reopen until late October or November. At worst, reopening dates could be pushed to December or next year. Which makes setting a reopening date for Disneyland, Universal or other California theme parks difficult if not impossible. Without a firm reopening date, the parks can’t set staffing, training, ride testing and visitor reservation plans."

California theme parks push back on restrictions in state’s draft reopening plan

Initial draft guidelines reviewed by theme park operators forced Disneyland, Universal Studios Hollywood and their counterparts to ask Newsom’s administration to hold off on finalizing the reopenin…

www.ocregister.com

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not everyone has the spare time or even the understanding of where to search for proper and actually accurate information. You have participated in this thread every day over the last 6 months. Literally every day.

The Council of Nine (including yourself) have determined what is or what is not allowed to be discussed in this thread in terms of accurate information because it is seriously your lifestyle at this point. And yes, I know that sounds like an insult when read in a text format.
Please know that it's not. Just a recognition of what happens every day in this thread. Any and all forms of dissent or objection are immediately labelled conspiracy or anti science.

Claiming that thousands of doctors are systematically engaged in fraud for some nonspecific purpose is not factual. It is not “dissent”. It is clearly a claim that thousands are “join[ing] in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act.”

 

[DisneyCane]

I’m gonna hate myself...

But how did you first hear of this? Digital? Social? Or television?

Hear of what? The daily testing of staff? Multiple news reports. It's also reported that everybody that goes to do an interview or any other such one time visit gets tested before being allowed in.

 

[wdisney9000]

It was a short answer to that. And contrary to politics...this isn’t ONLY about small business (for instance...so you remember where the first $500,000,000,000 of bailout money went? Do you?)

But then you threw a whole bunch of crap at the wall after that “simple question” ...none of it stuck.

And about your business. Assuming you own one. I want minimal damage to it, to you, to your employees, your supplies, etc. I’d be all for any all assistance.

That doesn’t mean I can fully support cavalier measures or inaction.

Fair enough,....I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. As always, I appreciate your response. Or anybody else's for that matter. Especially a mature response. For that, I thank you.