_caleb
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Anyone want to do a photoshop mockup of the Brer Heads mounted like trophies? (Sorry, @Brer Panther!)
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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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JoeCamel
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The opening in the DL version is shaped like an amorphous mouth with eyes and nose while the others are just openings in the rock. I like the mouth
KaliSplash
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I was under the impression it was smaller. I know DL uses single file logs whereas MK uses 2 to a row.
Epcot82Guy
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I agree with the setting complaints - but also noting it was that way from inception ("South" vs. "West").
Frankly, this is another example of where storytelling adjustment could work (or at least reduce the "location offense"). Have the WDW ride focus on the bayou and the animals. That's frankly what it does right now. Rather than getting ready for Mardi Gras, have it focus on Mama Odie and exploring the bayou with the characters and the music. Disney is so obsessed with this blatant story in these days - it's like a bad movie short. Sometimes, exploring the setting with characters (ala Pirates, Mansion, etc.) is enough! You can have the end scene with Naveen and Tiana as the big reveal. Yes, Mardi Gras is far beyond NOLA itself. But, that's what most people equate it to. If you focus the ride on the bayou and the characters that live there - period - it actually frames very similarly to the current story's setting. And, it helps make the setting more generic than "Louisiana Bayou" or, even more problematic, "New Orleans."
Frankly, this is another example of where storytelling adjustment could work (or at least reduce the "location offense"). Have the WDW ride focus on the bayou and the animals. That's frankly what it does right now. Rather than getting ready for Mardi Gras, have it focus on Mama Odie and exploring the bayou with the characters and the music. Disney is so obsessed with this blatant story in these days - it's like a bad movie short. Sometimes, exploring the setting with characters (ala Pirates, Mansion, etc.) is enough! You can have the end scene with Naveen and Tiana as the big reveal. Yes, Mardi Gras is far beyond NOLA itself. But, that's what most people equate it to. If you focus the ride on the bayou and the characters that live there - period - it actually frames very similarly to the current story's setting. And, it helps make the setting more generic than "Louisiana Bayou" or, even more problematic, "New Orleans."
Brer Panther
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Don't forget to have Iger standing next to them dressed like Elmer Fudd.
As for me, I'm still waiting for someone to do that picture of Brer Bear threatening to knock Iger's head clean off.
Lora Baines Bradley
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Personally, I think it works well as a middle ground between Pirates and BTMRR- roughly speaking, it's geographically accurate. Of course, this is still in its early stages, so who's to say what the final product will look like?
Disneyland sets attraction lineup through 2023 with Spidey, Tiana and Mickey rides
The decision to delay the opening of Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway until 2023 offers a glimpse at how and when Disneyland plans to roll out its new lineup of attractions over the next few yea…
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They can hope all they want.
Brer Oswald
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That’s an article columnist predicting when it’s going to happen based on the delay of Mickey (which has been delayed due to COVID).I know the article is about Disneyland, but it looks like they're hoping for 2022 to take down SplashDisneyland sets attraction lineup through 2023 with Spidey, Tiana and Mickey rides
The decision to delay the opening of Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway until 2023 offers a glimpse at how and when Disneyland plans to roll out its new lineup of attractions over the next few yea…
The writer is also assuming the Splash retheme will be cheaper and easier to execute than Mickey, which isn’t necessarily true. Splash retheme still needs new R&D (time and money), is Physical prop dependent, and has to be fit in the constraints of an existing building. Mickey is a clone. The R&D And Land allotting have been done already, it’s just a matter of construction (which is dependent on COVID and working conditions).
Not saying that a 2022 opening is impossible (highly improbable if they want this to be well received), but all of this is speculation based on assumptions.
Brer Oswald
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It’s less about the exterior, and more about the interior, music, and other thematic touches. I doubt the exterior will change much with the retheme. But the music and interior theming will clash with the rest of Frontierland.Anyone reading this thread without having seen the attraction would assume that WDW’s version looks completely different from the Disneyland original. Here’s an actual comparison:
I personally don’t view these as pointing to explicitly differentiated or easily identifiable geographical settings. Asked which one looks more “frontier”, I might well answer the first—the boulders evoke the West for me. I realise this is subjective, but I think it’s important to ground ourselves in the visual evidence rather than exaggerate the extent to which WDW’s Splash Mountain has been shorn of its Southern associations. As others have pointed out, Frontierland has always been a mishmash of West and South.
Florida’s Splash doesn’t have bayou interior’s like California does. It has rolling farm lands and abandoned mine shafts. It doesn’t have the jazzy music. PatF is a natural fit at Disneyland because it has bayous and jazz music. The style isn’t changing.
Unless we’re getting Tiana in farm world, with Louis playing the banjo and Naveen on the harmonica, it’s going to be out of place.
FettFan
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I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot that Disney produced one great African American-centric short that could be a decent replacement for Florida's Splash, as it actually takes place in the Frontier.
Plus it would also work with Pecos Bill's Tall Tale cafe, seeing as how John Henry's hammer is hanging above one of the dining room entrances.
Heck, you could also expand it beyond John Henry...adding Paul Bunyan to the ride would provide a reason that you're all riding in logs.
Plus it would also work with Pecos Bill's Tall Tale cafe, seeing as how John Henry's hammer is hanging above one of the dining room entrances.
Heck, you could also expand it beyond John Henry...adding Paul Bunyan to the ride would provide a reason that you're all riding in logs.
owlsandcoffee
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I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot that Disney produced one great African American-centric short that could be a decent replacement for Florida's Splash, as it actually takes place in the Frontier.
Plus it would also work with Pecos Bill's Tall Tale cafe, seeing as how John Henry's hammer is hanging above one of the dining room entrances.
Heck, you could also expand it beyond John Henry...adding Paul Bunyan to the ride would provide a reason that you're all riding in logs.
I still have that DVD!
Brer Oswald
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I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot that Disney produced one great African American-centric short that could be a decent replacement for Florida's Splash, as it actually takes place in the Frontier.
Plus it would also work with Pecos Bill's Tall Tale cafe, seeing as how John Henry's hammer is hanging above one of the dining room entrances.
Heck, you could also expand it beyond John Henry...adding Paul Bunyan to the ride would provide a reason that you're all riding in logs.
What a great idea. Not only a perfect thematic fit, but an actual African American folk hero, with actual African American roots (something Princess and the Frog can’t claim, with its white American roots based on a white European fairytale).
Unfortunately, it doesn’t have as much marketing potential. *Gasp*, could that be the reason Disney picked PatF? Not as a form of justice but for merchandise and food?
Sarcasm aside, this really is a great idea. It really is unfair that the African American folktales aren’t allowed to be told. That needs to change.
_caleb
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I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot that Disney produced one great African American-centric short that could be a decent replacement for Florida's Splash, as it actually takes place in the Frontier.
Plus it would also work with Pecos Bill's Tall Tale cafe, seeing as how John Henry's hammer is hanging above one of the dining room entrances.
Heck, you could also expand it beyond John Henry...adding Paul Bunyan to the ride would provide a reason that you're all riding in logs.
This thread is supposed to be about the Princess and the Frog attraction that's been announced. For armchair imagineering, debating whether Song of the South is racist, or trying to convince people that Princess and the Frog isn't a good fit for Frontierland, you may want to try these threads:
- Splash Mountain re-theme announced (Politics and Social Issues board)
- Armchair Imagineering PatF retheme of Splash Mountain
- Splash Mountain re-theme poll
For example, the idea of retheming Splash Mountain around John Henry is an interesting idea:
John Henry is another option, but I don't think Disney could make enough money off of those characters in merchandising.
Being chased by the Headless Horseman through the forest sounds pretty cool though. But thematically that would have to be put in Liberty Square.
If you already knew all of this and just don't care, feel free to ignore this post!
LittleBuford
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We can agree to disagree on this. Southern elements are already very much there in Frontierland (the Country Bears and Tom Sawyer Island being obvious examples), so the geographical argument is not one I find compelling. I fully respect that you feel differently, however.
ETA: And @_caleb’s point in the post just above mine is well taken!
Brer Oswald
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Once again, not arguing geographical on Southern vs West. I’m arguing music and visuals. Music was changed from Jazz to Bluegrass. Likewise, the swampy “bayous” were changed to grassy farmlands, forests, and rustic fences. They were conscious efforts that you aren’t going to get from a clone designed for Disneyland.
Unless they don’t make it into a clone and take the same alterations.
RSoxNo1
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I've suggested Western River Expedition for Florida and Princess and the Frog for California.
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