On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[UNCgolf]

SSE remains relevant (and World of Motion would have remained relevant) because it's (their) primary focus on is/was the history and evolution of a technology with only a mere, somewhat vague glimpse into the future. Like Carousel of Progress, this approach prevented it (them) from becoming dated and thus made it (them) relatively timeless. Only the final scene(s) need(ed) refreshed every decade or so to stay current as opposed to the entire experience.

Exactly my point. I forgot to mention World of Motion along with Spaceship Earth, but as you said, it falls under the same umbrella, although not quite to the same extent as SSE.

 

[Mac Tonight]

I'd rather ride Horizons in it's original form than anything current WDI is putting out.

 

[peter11435]

I'd rather ride Horizons in it's original form than anything current WDI is putting out.

Ok

I loved horizons. But we really need to stop ignoring some of the recent achievements.

 

[_caleb]

I think the future is X-men. They need to bring that in and take the mcu a different direction. It will allow them to not strangle the avengers characters 4x a year and let it breath a little

I agree. X-Men with MCU treatment (funny, with character development) would be great.

I’m also waiting for everything MCU to be multiverse-ified so they can break out of the serial approach.

 

[_caleb]

Ok

I loved horizons. But we really need to stop ignoring some of the recent achievements.

Has Disney had any Epcot-worthy (edutainment celebrating culture, innovation) recent achievements? I think this is why people keep going back to Horizons.

 

[marni1971]

Yeah, it was amazing back then. It would look terrible now.

Also, I could be wrong, but I think the whole screen itself would be significantly outdated technology today.

Works for Soarin’

 

[Lilofan]

Has Disney had any Epcot-worthy (edutainment celebrating culture, innovation) recent achievements? I think this is why people keep going back to Horizons.

Does Epcot Food and Wine count? Education in all things alcohol is still education. . I like the sessions on beer making , free samples , wine and spirits education last time we were there.

 

[UNCgolf]

Works for Soarin’

Is it the same tech? That's why I was asking; literally didn't know. I'm fine with being wrong! Sounds like they would have just needed a new movie to play on the screen rather than having any need to replace the screen itself.

Personally I would happily ride the original Horizons right now, but that's because I rode it in the late 80s/early 90s and have such fond memories of it. It almost certainly wouldn't work for the vast majority of people if they rode the original incarnation today for the first time (not directed at you specifically; you've already said it would have needed significant work).

 

[_caleb]

Does Epcot Food and Wine count? Education in all things alcohol is still education. . I like the sessions on beer making , free samples wine and spirits education last time we were there.

I like those sessions, too. The educational stuff can be found around the park(s) today, but it‘s usually used as a cheap “show” or as a way to get you to buy more stuff.

 

[Robbiem]

Horizons or the rest of future world was never about a real future, it was about the dream of a possible future we could work to achieve. To me living in space or underwater is still just as exciting a goal as it ever was.

most of the original future world rides were easy to be updated periodically. Horizons would probably have needed the most work but even then its mainly new imax movies, decor for the tour of the future and the end sims.

the main reason they weren’t was probably that a new attra was more marketable

 

[_caleb]

Is it the same tech? That's why I was asking; literally didn't know. I'm fine with being wrong! Sounds like they would have just needed a new video to play on the screen rather than having any need to replace the screen itself.

Personally I would happily ride the original Horizons right now, but that's because I rode it in the late 80s/early 90s and have such fond memories of it. It almost certainly wouldn't work for the vast majority of people if they rode the original incarnation today for the first time (not directed at you specifically; you've already said it would have needed significant work).

I took his comment as a crack about the terrible/cheap/outdated/laughably bad CGI in the Soarin’ around the World film, not the screen tech itself.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Does Epcot Food and Wine count? Education in all things alcohol is still education. . I like the sessions on beer making , free samples , wine and spirits education last time we were there.

Ehhh:..I know everyone feels all “brave” for going booth to booth...

But it’s not really that exotic.

 

[UNCgolf]

I took his comment as a crack about the terrible/cheap/outdated/laughably bad CGI in the Soarin’ around the World film, not the screen tech itself.

Oh, you could be right.

That CGI is atrocious. The film would be much better if it was exactly the same with the CGI removed; it's so bad it actually takes you out of the attraction.

 

[Mac Tonight]

Ok

I loved horizons. But we really need to stop ignoring some of the recent achievements.

Recent WDI achievements...

... yeah, I got nothing.

 

[UNCgolf]

Recent WDI achievements...

... yeah, I got nothing.

Rise of the Resistance, Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway, and Flight of Passage are all good rides. I also think Navi River Journey, while too short, is solid and an overall plus for the area.

I prefer original EPCOT over all of those in a landslide, but it's not like they've only been building Little Mermaid quality disasters recently. They're also doing some really impressive looking stuff in Japan -- won't know for sure until it's actually open, but the Beauty and the Beast ride looks like a masterpiece thus far.

 

[UNCgolf]

OK, I thought you were being serious until you got to Navi River Journey - you got me! Joke's on me!

It's a very good C ticket. Lush, detailed, I don't really understand why people hate it so much other than the fact the lines are way too long, which isn't the ride's fault. Again, it should be a few minutes longer and more animatronics would be nice (the ride certainly isn't perfect and there are numerous ways it could be improved), but I'd take 10 more rides like NRJ over Frozen Ever After, Little Mermaid, Alien Swirling Saucers, etc. any day. It's much better than anything else they've built on the C ticket level in WDW in decades, unless I'm completely forgetting something.

It's like people are mad it's not an E ticket, which it was never supposed to be.

 

[Touchdown]

Recent WDI achievements...

... yeah, I got nothing.

Have you not ridden Rise of the Resistance? That ride transports me to a new world, I truely feel apart of that world and experience a roller coaster of emotions. There are so few rides out there that do that for me, Haunted Mansion, Tower of Terror, Spider-Man, The three potter rides (haven’t done Hagrid,) Radiator Springs Racers. All those rides believably bring me into their world and make me feel like I am an important part of it (instead of an observer.)

Rise is currently my favorite non roller coaster ride in the world (finally dethroning ToT) it is a massive achievement and deserves to be talked about amongst the greats.

 

[Mac Tonight]

Rise of the Resistance, Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway, and Flight of Passage are all good rides. I also think Navi River Journey, while too short, is solid and an overall plus for the area.

I prefer original EPCOT over all of those in a landslide, but it's not like they've only been building Little Mermaid quality disasters recently. They're also doing some really impressive looking stuff in Japan -- won't know for sure until it's actually open, but the Beauty and the Beast ride looks like a masterpiece thus far.

I'm 95% joking, btw.

I actually haven't been fortunate enough to ride any of those attractions yet. Though, of the three main ones you mention, only Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway has my attention. Obviously, WDI still has some good folks around and quality attractions up their sleeves... It's just not like it used to be.

 

[UNCgolf]

I'm 95% joking, btw.

I actually haven't been fortunate enough to ride any of those attractions yet. Though, of the three main ones you mention, only Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway has my attention. Obviously, WDI still has some good folks around and quality attractions up their sleeves... It's just not like it used to be.

I haven't been on Rise or MMRR either, actually. But they certainly look like quality attractions in videos. I couldn't care less about Avatar (never even seen it) but I have been on and enjoyed both rides in Pandora.

I agree that it's not like it used to be (I don't think there's a Tony Baxter anywhere there now), but I'm not sure how much of that is WDI's fault and how much of it is management's fault. The type of things they're accomplishing in Tokyo makes me think more of the blame should fall on US management.

 

[Mac Tonight]

Have you not ridden Rise of the Resistance? That ride transports me to a new world, I truely feel apart of that world and experience a roller coaster of emotions. There are so few rides out there that do that for me, Haunted Mansion, Tower of Terror, Spider-Man, The three potter rides (haven’t done Hagrid,) Radiator Springs Racers. All those rides believably bring me into their world and make me feel like I am an important part of it (instead of an observer.)

Rise is currently my favorite non roller coaster ride in the world (finally dethroning ToT) it is a massive achievement and deserves to be talked about amongst the greats.

I have not. I'm a DL-local and we really only had 2 months worth of time to try and ride it before Covid shut the park down (and I was unfortunately not willing to sift through the reservation/boarding pass madness). But, being not that huge of a Star Wars fan, I'm still a bit tepid on it. I can certainly applaud the attraction's scope and their efforts to make something of substantial size... but I don't know. I know it's not fair to critique something based on videos online... but it just looks... ok? Again, that's an un-ridden opinion.