Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out -

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Numbers are out -

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What am I missing? I thought everything that was being put out was how Florida was hitting 10,000 cases per day consistently.

 

[SamusAranX]

What am I missing? I thought everything that was being put out was how Florida was hitting 10,000 cases per day consistently.

Look at the weekly trends; but even if you do, it's not hitting 10k, for now. Good news finally

 

[Jwink]

Numbers are out -

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Is it getting better or are we still seeing results from being closed?

 

[Horizons '83]

Is it getting better or are we still seeing results from being closed?

The positivity rate is holding at below 10% which is a good sign no matter if they tested 100K or 50K, that is a good metric to look at. Lots of work to get down to 5% but at least we aren't seeing the 13% and 12% positivity rates now.

 

[SamusAranX]

So, if my math is right (and it never is) current 7 day average is 9.60 % positivity rate, 6470k cases avg per day; might be hitting a lower plateau

 

[Jwink]

What am I missing? I thought everything that was being put out was how Florida was hitting 10,000 cases per day consistently.

We were... for weeks. Now it’s either slowed down or it’s a result of the lower testing because of closures from the storm

 

[Horizons '83]

So, if my math is right (and it never is) current 7 day average is 9.60 % positivity rate, 6470k cases avg per day; might be hitting a lower plateau

You can also look at it by adding the total new cases for that 7 day period (45,290) divided by the total tests (548,369) and get a 8.26% positivity rate. Not sure if that is an accurate way of looking at it either.

 

[SamusAranX]

We were... for weeks. Now it’s either slowed down or it’s a result of the lower testing because of closures from the storm

That closure should have only affected the first few days after; the only thing I can think of is that the virus is slowing down in the higher population areas, and now spreading to rural counties; less people to infect = less positive cases

 

[Chi84]

Untrue, there are districts that are requiring masks, like Gwinnett County which is right nearby. The state public university system is also requiring masks.

The school said that wearing a mask was a personal choice and that there was no practical way to enforce mask requirements. Given that they already have a dress code and they will make students who violate it change or else send them home, I'm not sure why it's not practical.

It seems a dress code would be much easier to enforce because kids come to school dressed and stay dressed. The problem I've seen with masks is that people momentarily pull them down to talk to one another (what sense does that make?) or when they get uncomfortable. I'm skeptical of how well a mask requirement could be enforced where children are involved.

But if teachers and parents make a concerted effort to impress upon the children the importance and necessity of masks, it may work despite some violations. In any event, if schools are going to open, I think the authorities have to at least try. Most kids want to do the right thing and are much more susceptible to peer pressure than adults. If the schools send a strong enough message, and the parents support it, I believe a mask requirement has a fighting chance.

The one thing that probably won't work is sending kids home, fining them or their parents, etc. I know that coercion and punishment are the preferred methods of enforcing compliance for some people, but the fact is that most laws, rules and regulations work because people want to follow them.

 

[Touchdown]

Please tell me how a mask is not an article of clothing? It’s made to cover a part of the body (just like other clothes) and is made of the exact same materials. Because if you can’t tell me what’s different about it then you can’t tell me why masks can’t be mandated by dress codes, governments or businesses just like other articles of clothing are.

 

[Chi84]

Articles of clothing like shirts and pants cannot (or at least should not) be removed during the day, nor do most people remove them to eat, drink, talk, etc. A mask covers parts of the body (nose and mouth) that are not typically covered because of the functions they are designed to perform. Unlike masks, which are required only where social distancing cannot be maintained, our culture has historically frowned upon appearing in public without pants.

Of course masks can be mandated by governments or businesses, but those entities may be reluctant to do so if they do not believe the requirements can be adequately enforced for the reasons stated above. It is much easier and more likely for a person to pull down their mask for a moment or two, thereby eliminating its usefulness, than it is for a person to remove their shirt or pants.

 

[MisterPenguin]

What am I missing? I thought everything that was being put out was how Florida was hitting 10,000 cases per day consistently.

Could you link your source of that claim?

 

[SourcererMark79]

You can also look at it by adding the total new cases for that 7 day period (45,290) divided by the total tests (548,369) and get a 8.26% positivity rate. Not sure if that is an accurate way of looking at it either.

Some tests in a weeks time are likely from the same person. Still good to see the numbers falling

 

[Touchdown]

Articles of clothing like shirts and pants cannot (or at least should not) be removed during the day, nor do most people remove them to eat, drink, talk, etc. A mask covers parts of the body (nose and mouth) that are not typically covered because of the functions they are designed to perform. Unlike masks, which are required only where social distancing cannot be maintained, our culture has historically frowned upon appearing in public without pants.

Of course masks can be mandated by governments or businesses, but those entities may be reluctant to do so if they do not believe the requirements can be adequately enforced for the reasons stated above. It is much easier and more likely for a person to pull down their mask for a moment or two, thereby eliminating its usefulness, than it is for a person to remove their shirt or pants.

So with your thinking, I have to remove my pants in order to relieve myself which is a normal daily activity therefore pants are harder to regulate.

You do not need to remove your mask to talk btw.

 

[Chi84]

So with your thinking, I have to remove my pants in order to relieve myself which is a normal daily activity therefore pants are harder to regulate.

You do not need to remove your mask to talk btw.

That’s not my thinking at all. See post #35,853. If you don’t think it’s harder for a school to get kids to wear masks than to keep their pants on in the corridors, there’s nothing more I can say. As I said in my previous post, I believe schools need to require masks if they intend to re-open. I disagree with those who believe the requirement will be as easy to enforce as a dress code.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Could you link your source of that claim?

I'm not making a claim, that's why I said "what am I missing?" I'm just saying I vaguely remember 10,000 being a benchmark that the media was all in an uproar about and I felt it was recently.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm not making a claim, that's why I said "what am I missing?" I'm just saying I vaguely remember 10,000 being a benchmark that the media was all in an uproar about and I felt it was recently.

Oops, I thought you were referring to deaths.

WRT *cases*, FL was hitting over 10K cases per day and only recently dropped. Since percent positive is finally going down, new cases should continue to decline.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Oops, I thought you were referring to deaths.

WRT *cases*, FL was hitting over 10K cases per day and only recently dropped. Since percent positive is finally going down, new cases should continue to decline.

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Thanks, we lost power here for about a week so I've been disconnected and I guess I just had my timeline all jumbled.

 

[hopemax]

We had that pre-hurricane exercise into why The COVID Tracking Project's testing numbers were different from the FL DOH numbers and determining that CTs numbers are "new" people tested, vs FL DOH total people tested (although they do publish a new people positivity percentage).

Since the hurricane, I've been watching CT's numbers, waiting for them to return to pre-hurricane levels and so far they haven't. Pre-hurricane, the range was 45K-50K+ (with some days even in the 60K or 70K range in July and the record being 98K on 7/12), during the hurricane it dropped to 31K, it has come back up to about 40K. Saturday was 49K, Sunday dropped back to 40K.

So I would caution that there could be testing issues in FL's numbers, for the past week. If less people feel the need to get tested, that would be one thing (generally, good). If less people are able to be tested, that would mean something else. If I look at the County info for Broward, Palm Beach and Dade Counties (Orange too), the number of cases dropped approximately a third to half starting on 8/1, coinciding with the hurricane testing closures, but have been slow to rise back up. Maybe, the pending storm and rainy weather delayed celebrations and gatherings resulting in less opportunity for community spread (+1 for social distancing)? So I would also caution that people might interpret the drop in numbers as a sign of organic improvement (vs hurricane/behavioral) and start doing more of the things where spread occurs (especially as schools/colleges try to reopen), and in 2-3 weeks FL rebounds to where they were before the hurricane.

FWIW, hurricanes might be good for COVID control, lol.