On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[GoneViral]

Do you think people would dish out $29 to see the original Star Wars on Disney +??

Well, they don't have to do that since it's already on the service. I do think that when Star Wars X or whatever it's called comes out in December of 2023, people will happily pay $29 to watch it in, say, January or early February of 2024 at home.

This Mulan release sets the stage for that.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Well, they don't have to do that since it's already on the service. I do think that when Star Wars X or whatever it's called comes out in December of 2023, people will happily pay $29 to watch it in, say, January or early February of 2024 at home.

This Mulan release sets the stage for that.

I meant the original releases of the three movies before Lucas started adding and altering the movies.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Yeah, that’s been kicking around the Internet a lot lately. IDK why it’s hard for people to accept he was a businessman who also cared about quality and innovation. Those kinds of leaders do exist.

I also read a blog from a film history professor who said the only differentiation between Walt Disney and Fleischer was that Disney marketed animation as “hard to do” and gained public respect. That’s one of the most idiotic statements I’ve ever read. The alleged professor didn’t mention animation quality, story, music, characterization, etc. I wonder how he feels about Chuck Jones or Studio Ghibli.

I don’t quite understand it myself. He was no mystery. The way he ran the company and spent the money was pretty clear. He thought he was worth more than the chairs thought he was, and he wanted full control over what he did because of the amount of times people held him back in the film days. He had a big ego, and quite frankly, it was justified.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I also read a blog from a film history professor who said the only differentiation between Walt Disney and Fleischer was that Disney marketed animation as “hard to do” and gained public respect. That’s one of the most idiotic statements I’ve ever read. The alleged professor didn’t mention animation quality, story, music, characterization, etc. I wonder how he feels about Chuck Jones or Studio Ghibli.

If that professor held such unread, ignorant views in a more respectable field of the humanities like literature or history, they would be burned at the stake.

 

[tirian]

I don’t quite understand it myself. He was no mystery. The way he ran the company and spent the money was pretty clear. He thought he was worth more than the chairs thought he was, and he wanted full control over what he did because of the amount of times people held him back in the film days. He had a big ego, and quite frankly, it was justified.

That’s also how most studios worked: the Studio System kept a big boss who controlled everything else. That doesn’t make it right, of course. But that’s how it was everywhere, and Walt himself had suffered through that with Oswald.

 

[tirian]

If that professor held such unread, ignorant views in a more respectable field of the humanities like literature or history, they would be burned at the stake.

Maybe...

 

[Brer Oswald]

That’s also how most studios worked: the Studio System kept a big boss who controlled everything else. That doesn’t make it right, of course. But that’s how it was everywhere, and Walt himself had suffered through that with Oswald.

People don’t really think about how much he was burned throughout his career. Most of the time he was fighting an uphill battle.

 

[tirian]

People don’t really think about how much he was burned throughout his career. Most of the time he was fighting an uphill battle.

It’s easy to forget how small the company was until the 1990s.

It’s also important to consider “Uncle Walt” was by all accounts really who he had become after mellowing considerably from his younger days. But if anyone here had a great-grandparent from Walt’s time, you know they tended to be tougher than we expect today. Maybe it was the combination of two World Wars and a Depression. Who knows.

 

[Brer Oswald]

It’s easy to forget how small the company was until the 1990s.

It’s also important to consider “Uncle Walt” was by all accounts really who he had become after mellowing considerably from his younger days. But if anyone here had a great-grandparent from Walt’s time, you know they tended to be tougher than we expect today. Maybe it was the combination of two World Wars and a Depression. Who knows.

Uncle Walt wasn’t a completely fictitious entity. It was a completely filtered version of himself, but still a side to him that was very real. People like to give him too much credit as an “actor”.

 

[tirian]

Uncle Walt wasn’t a completely fictitious entity. It was a completely filtered version of himself, but still a side to him that was very real. People like to give him too much credit as an “actor”.

Bottom line, he was a real person, not a caricature of an angel or demon.

So I guess we’re treading water in this thread until something new happens?

 

[el_super]

Uncle Walt wasn’t a completely fictitious entity.

Maybe. Maybe not. But WDP still ended up paying him $60 million dollars for the "Uncle Walt" IP.

 

[GoneViral]

I meant the original releases of the three movies before Lucas started adding and altering the movies.

I mean, I think that some would. Disney opens Pandora's box if it does that, though. Lucas would probably find it insulting, and they already face a delicate balance with him.

If they could get Lucas onboard with it, I think they'd make more money making the movies free and thereby giving Star Wars fans another reason to subscribe...although Mandalorian already checks that box.

I would expect -- and we're all just guessing here -- that the $29.99 movies are exclusively theatrical releases and maybe some Broadway stuff, at least for the next couple of years.

If the idea proves viable, I'm sure Disney will do everything it can to entice the most loyal customers to buy exclusives on Disney+ that they'll lose should their subscription end.

 

[brb1006]

Bottom line, he was a real person, not a caricature of an angel or demon.

So I guess we’re treading water in this thread until something new happens?

Looks like the new thread is put on the back burner for now.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I mean, I think that some would. Disney opens Pandora's box if it does that, though. Lucas would probably find it insulting, and they already face a delicate balance with him.

If they could get Lucas onboard with it, I think they'd make more money making the movies free and thereby giving Star Wars fans another reason to subscribe...although Mandalorian already checks that box.

I would expect -- and we're all just guessing here -- that the $29.99 movies are exclusively theatrical releases and maybe some Broadway stuff, at least for the next couple of years.

If the idea proves viable, I'm sure Disney will do everything it can to entice the most loyal customers to buy exclusives on Disney+ that they'll lose should their subscription end.

There have been whispers that Disney/Lucasfilm can’t do that without George’s permission and he really doesn’t want the theatrical cut out there.

 

[UNCgolf]

I would expect -- and we're all just guessing here -- that the $29.99 movies are exclusively theatrical releases and maybe some Broadway stuff, at least for the next couple of years.

I think it'd be a hard sell to pay $29.99 for a filmed Broadway show.

Maybe a lot of people would pay; I don't know. But watching a filmed stage show is a very different -- and significantly lesser -- experience than being there in person in multiple ways.

 

[Piebald]

Maybe it's because I have no interest to pay, but I cant see many people paying to see Mulan. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.

Now animated features I can see. Trolls 2 was a big hit because I imagine kids annoyed the hell out of their parents for it and it made sense financially. I think Mulan looked good, but in a "I'll catch that later if it has good reviews" way.

Big time movies like Star Wars, Avengers, a Pixar film, etc...hell yeah I'll pay to not have to see that surrounded by the unwashed. But Mulan may be an interesting film for them the gauge.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Maybe it's because I have no interest to pay, but I cant see many people paying to see Mulan. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.

Now animated features I can see. Trolls 2 was a big hit because I imagine kids annoyed the hell out of their parents for it and it made sense financially. I think Mulan looked good, but in a "I'll catch that later if it has good reviews" way.

Big time movies like Star Wars, Avengers, a Pixar film, etc...hell yeah I'll pay to not have to see that surrounded by the unwashed. But Mulan may be an interesting film for them the gauge.

That’s my level of interest too. I wouldn’t have paid $30, but MAYBE like $10 extra (remember it’s not just a fee, it’s an extra fee on top of your subscription fee) for Onward or Skywalker. And only then if it was going to be 5-6 months difference.

I have access to all of the live action remakes and haven’t seen one of them yet. Not much interest.

 

[Magenta Panther]

You take a look at how Harry Cohn, Louis B. Mayer, and the Warners ran their movie studios, and then you'll see greed and abuse and exploitation. Walt WAS a saint compared to the other studio heads of his day. He drove his kids to Sunday school, he defended an animator who was outed as being gay (during a time when that was a career-killer, at the very least), he proclaimed that "poor kids will never have to pay to go to Disneyland"...wow, what a stinker.

Take it from someone who isn't inclined to put people on pedestals...Walt Disney really was a good guy. He was NOT a racist, he was NOT an anti-Semite, he was NOT a sexist/misogynist...he was none of the things you hear from people who NEED to believe all the slanderous negative rot because they see wholesome family values as a threat (how pitiful is that?). He's the glue, for me. He's the reason I still call myself a Disney fan despite the TRUE greed of the people running the company he suffered two nervous breakdowns building. And, BTW, he NEVER got a fraction of the money that toads like Iger pull down.

Walt was flawed. Who isn't? But his instincts and inclinations were laudable, and he tended to follow his instincts, to his credit. And to our benefit.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

There have been whispers that Disney/Lucasfilm can’t do that without George’s permission and he really doesn’t want the theatrical cut out there.

So you are saying the Star Wars Holiday Special is Probably out?

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I started to comment about the Disney company pandering to China while they revert into “America is Evil” mindset and also about the mental health issues of not working and the tension with maintaining safe physical measures for maintaining bodily health. But for tonight, I’m tired and it’s not all worth it. You all get my drift. Bless you all- and goodnight.