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NelsonRD

NelsonRD

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flynnibus said:
You even said in your situation it was about moving UP... better living, better pay, etc.

If you are at the bottom as everyone loves to point out about Orlando -- you can go almost anywhere, do the same thing and be better off. No one is charging fees to relocate. If you work a job you struggle to even make minimum wage at after fees and crap hours... it doesn't take much to find a basic job that pays better. You don't need a university job to get out of a $9/hr CM job. You can work at freaking target anywhere in this country and do better.

Most people are just too scared to pickup and leave. People are working at the worst job -- but act like nothing better can be found. If you are working such a horrible job - it's the EASIEST to walk away from and find something better.
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You are missing the most important factor in relocating. The purpose of relocating is to align your skills and interest, with an employer seeking that skill. Those who work minimum wage jobs, that do not have the skills to do something else that pays more, will not find success in another location. People who relocate with your theory, only find themselves working the same jobs, in a different environment, without climbing the social stratification ladder. Cast Members moving from FL to take a similar job somewhere else is not going to create wealth.

You are better off not relocating, working the same job and climbing the corporate ladder. Starting in the mail room as they say. Then with the training and advancement, better opportunity can exist. Take advantage of opportunity announcements, and learn from rejection. Staying at the same job long enough will get you promoted. Moving may not make you happier, and playing basketball doesn't make you tall. Please stop spreading this idea that you can just move and everything will be better.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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NelsonRD said:
You are missing the most important factor in relocating. The purpose of relocating is to align your skills and interest, with an employer seeking that skill. Those who work minimum wage jobs, that do not have the skills to do something else that pays more, will not find success in another location. People who relocate with your theory, only find themselves working the same jobs, in a different environment, without climbing the social stratification ladder. Cast Members moving from FL to take a similar job somewhere else is not going to create wealth.

You are better off not relocating, working the same job and climbing the corporate ladder. Starting in the mail room as they say. Then with the training and advancement, better opportunity can exist. Take advantage of opportunity announcements, and learn from rejection. Staying at the same job long enough will get you promoted. Moving may not make you happier, and playing basketball doesn't make you tall. Please stop spreading this idea that you can just move and everything will be better.
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I was going to say something similar, but I'll just add this.

If you don't either already have a job lined up or some contacts in your new location that can help you find one (and also provide a potential safety net), moving is likely a terrible decision both financially and mentally. That's not to say it doesn't work out for some people -- and for some (especially young) people, it's just a fun adventure -- but it's probably not the right thing to do for the majority of people in that situation.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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UNCgolf said:
Relocation isn't only about money (although that's a big part of it).

It's hard for some people to understand because they're just wired differently (and view it as a fun adventure, or as no big deal, or whatever), but moving to a totally new place away from everything and everyone you know is an absolutely monumental task for some people. It can be more stressful than anything related to money and cause serious depression, etc.
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I get that... but again... if you want to change your situation - it requires change and you to do it :) I'm not saying people need to be fully solo - but that isn't a reason not to do things either. A support network is always helpful.

We were just talking about this topic this week as I was visiting friends where I grew up. They get the luxury of everyone who runs all the local businesses now are the people they grew up with... went to school with... maybe are distant cousins.. or whatever. When I left at 18, I went to a school with zero people from my school. I went home my first summer, and since then have always lived some where new based on our work requirements. There has never been family near by to help with my kids... there never has been any network of existing people... I have to deal with every business as a new customer or simple referral. No comfort factor at all. I do miss that bit when my buddy says "oh my cousin does HVAC..." where I'm struggling to find trustworthy contractors. Or when my younger cousins all have their parents watch their kids 4 days a week, etc.

I don't regret leaving the nest at all... nor where my multiple moves have landed me in the long run. I made new friends, etc. And years back I recognized I've lived out of the state I consider my 'home state' longer than I've actually lived there. I've known current friends longer than any friends I had growing up, etc.

Change is hard. But change can be good too. Especially if you are in a situation where you think there is no prospects for the future. You only live once... don't waste it in a rut with no future.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Lilofan said:
Disagree with someone and then to report, that's sad...
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It’s not “disagreement”...I’ll wear the war helmet on that for ANY subject...

...it’s that it’s going to that line where we get straight to politicos and it spoils the whole cow...not just the milk.

This is me being “reserved” about money, labor, the social service net, and society. 😁
 
GeneralKnowledge

GeneralKnowledge

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flynnibus said:
One of my summer jobs the candy store owners prided themselves on making people count change back rather than using the register to tell you the change needed. I bet they had to give that up too...
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That sounds like my popcorn business. We’ve prided ourselves on doing exactly that for decades. We finally gave it up last summer and switched to an automated POS system. The quality of the math education in our local school system is appalling.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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NelsonRD said:
You are missing the most important factor in relocating. The purpose of relocating is to align your skills and interest, with an employer seeking that skill. Those who work minimum wage jobs, that do not have the skills to do something else that pays more, will not find success in another location.
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This entire discussion was about people working for Disney stuck in the rut. Typically the low wage, hourly workers. If you are only making like $10-11 an hour... you can go hundreds of places and find walk up jobs making that kind of pay.

The whole point is.. if you are at the bottom as so many claim orlando+disney is for pay and COLA.. then almost anywhere else is an improvement. You don't need to 'align skils and interest' when any entry level job will be a huge improvement over your current situation. Work hospitality? There are hotels everywere... Work retail? Same.

The idea that Orlando is the only place you can find work is bunkus.

NelsonRD said:
People who relocate with your theory, only find themselves working the same jobs, in a different environment, without climbing the social stratification ladder. Cast Members moving from FL to take a similar job somewhere else is not going to create wealth.

You are better off not relocating, working the same job and climbing the corporate ladder.
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This is exactly what people are saying YOU CAN NOT DO at Disney - it's the false dream that so many think 'if they just stick it out' they can make it through the low years. But there is no 'high years' at Disney. You climb to be the hotel AGM and you still get crap pay, living in a expensive place. All while the people do get promoted aren't the best.. and the work culture is toxic. You're preaching right into the false dream every person who has left Disney has called out as 'never going to happen... and it took me too long to realize it'

Or you leave... work your way up in another hotel, live in nicer place, cheaper, and ultimately make more money when you've climbed that ladder.

I'm not preaching a 'grass is greener... move' thing. I'm saying if you live in the worst of the worst... LEAVE.

NelsonRD said:
Please stop spreading this idea that you can just move and everything will be better.
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So you believe if you work in a company that doesn't treat its employees with respect, doesn't pay well, festers horrible manager/subordinate relationships, measures performance in ways that dehumanize people, promotes the boot lickers, and is pretty much respected as a toxic place towards workers... If you just tough it out.. it will get better?

Why insist on wasting your years on an environment that will not pay off - when literally there are thousands of alternatives where you do stand a fighting chance?

Why are people insistent in staying in an abusive relationship? Because they think its the only thing they can do...
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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UNCgolf said:
If you don't either already have a job lined up or some contacts in your new location that can help you find one (and also provide a potential safety net), moving is likely a terrible decision both financially and mentally.
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We're talking about people making <$15/hr and being miserable doing it. The bar to measure improvement is not high. Literally you can walk into most national chains and get a job paying >$10/hr with zero background.

We're not talking about the upper tier management who needs to find a perfect fit. We're talking about people working hourly hoping the company will give them 30hrs and pay them $12/hr while giving the company exclusive access to their schedule.

I can walk you into an ocean resort town anywhere on the coast and you can make $200/night as a waiter... and because all the J-1 workers couldn't come this summer - everyone is super desperate for workers. Make and save more money in 4 months at a resort than people living miserable in Orlando crying woe is me for years on end. And probably have more fun...
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Oh do tell...

Are you saying defined “non-profit”...or companies that “clear no profit”...that’s a tomato/watermelon comparison...
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The "non-profit" sector as defined by section 501(c). They can make money, or lose it, just like any other business, they don't distribute profits to shareholders or owners.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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eliza61nyc said:
Lol I wonder though if I get the apple watch as a Christmas gift and then lose my job and health insurance, and get in a bind is it still because I have an I watch??
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If you got it as a gift - then you could sell it and pay your bills.. instead of complaining how I can't afford my bills.
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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Lilofan said:
If one ever drives on I-95 Northbound / Southbound by the NC/SC border , the interstate billboards say

Pedro says .. You never sausage a place! - South of the Border
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I think everyone from the Northeast who regularly visited Disney World make the mistake of stopping there at least once.
 

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