TrainsOfDisney
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I had yet to visit a Disney park at that time so I don’t know. The “shuttle mode” could be an urban legend like the monorail going through swan and dolphin but at this point it’s at least fun to talk about. Ha.
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I had yet to visit a Disney park at that time so I don’t know. The “shuttle mode” could be an urban legend like the monorail going through swan and dolphin but at this point it’s at least fun to talk about. Ha.
Captain Barbossa
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Here we go kicking the dead horse again. 
Monorail_Orange
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No urban legend; it happened. I also know it does not happen any more. (again, primarily due to insufficient capacity)
It is not an urban legend, it most definitely happened, I experienced it personally in January of 1989.
We’re goin, goin, on the Express!
We’re goin on the Mickey’s Birthday Land Express!
JoeCamel
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Not an urban legend, my BIL was staying onsite and saw the train run through S&D.....
Captain Barbossa
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There used to be a video on YouTube of the “Backtrack Express”, but I can’t find it.
Captain Barbossa
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SilentWindODoom
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Jeez, a lot happened in two days.
What... is this in reference to? I have absolutely no idea what that is.
Yup. The aerial of Shanghai is at an angle that it lines up perfectly with the above section, but you're right. There's a slight sliver of the lower building there.
I was referring to this mockup I'd made earlier based on what pictures were available of the work at the time.
But now that we've got images of the view down World Drive (not to mention the new pic someone just took from the Poly), that my estimate was actually off. I thought the building would show a lot more. It seems that the view will be a heck of a lot better than I expected.
All right. All right. Let's settle this. I've thrown everything into CAD, so let's take a look at viewpoints and see if this is going to be visible from 20 spots in the park and not be hidden from the canopy anywhere, ever, in any way like everyone seems to be saying. (In the event anyone takes me seriously, let me make it clear I'm returning hyperbole for hyperbole.
)
I took the current satellite image of the area, the new satellite that was just posted of the current construction in Orlando, and the satellite of Shanghai's version. I got them all sized right so that the original could be traced and I could bring it over to the new construction and see where the canopy will sit (cyan).
So that's where the canopy is. Now, let's look at Shanghai Disneyland and see if the box is visible from the side of the canopy. Unfortunately, there is no Streetview from within the park, and I have to go off of 360 images and an image search.
Pictures do show the building poking out. However, these views are from an elevated platform that rings the Shanghai Tomorrowland, as are most views of the ride's exterior. It makes sense. It gives the most epic vista. But no such platform exists in Orlando. Here's where those viewpoints would be from in the Magic Kingdom (yellow arrows):
But, of course, thirty feet in the air. Of course, while we don't have an elevated platform, we do have the Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover. Fortunately, videos have been uploaded from earlier in the year of what a ride on the TTA/PM is like.
From the initial exit of the station, we can see the track going higher than the show building from this perspective. Now, the canopy dips in the center, so there will be poking out in the middle. But this view and the earlier pic from the Poly shows something interesting. We'll get to that later.
Funnily enough given a lot of the conversation we've been having, the building is blocked a number of times on the way towards Space Mountain by foliage.
Again, approaching Space it seems that the building will bridge the two peaks of the canopy like it did from the center of Tomorrowland.
But this isn't the highest we can get in Tomorrowland. So let's take a ride on the Astro Orbiter.
It's close. It's certainly close. But it looks like the building will bridge the canopy. Why do I keep mentioning that? Well, the Shanghai building appears to be a bit more of a darker shade of the Nothing to See Here Navy the back of the Orlando building is. But instead, this building is done in white and gray, more approaching the colors of the canopy itself. If the corner does not pop up, then the shape in the background fits more with the canopy structure rather than looking like a box. And the TTA and Poly pics seem to suggest that in high sunlight, the cladding takes on a much lighter look, almost white. This causes it to blend even better.
But this is all talk about high angles. What about low angles? Is the building visible on the regular elevation of Shanghai's Tomorrowland?
From this lower angle, the building is completely invisible. And what viewpoint does this correlate with in Orlando?
This is the viewpoint of between the TTA/MP and Tron. This is the approach of people to ride the ride, the most important viewpoint in terms of where you want to compose a cool vista. And once you get farther back on the ground level, you've got the elevated tracks to compete with.
The tracks already block Space from a lot of the land. The Tron building will not be seen from the ground of Tomorrowland, the places where the ride is visible getting a view of the canopy instead of the box. The entirety of the Speedway has the canopy between it and the building, with the high peaks blocking visibility.
To me, the most important parts of theming this building are the canopy being the visible portion within Tomorrowland and none of it being visible from Storybook Circus. So let's look at the circus.
I've mentioned numerous times how remarkable it is that despite the close proximity the current plantings block Space from view. And from the majority of the land it appears Tron is also invisible. There are three points where it isn't. The building slightly pokes out above the treeline from Dumbo, and there's the view that the pathway to Tomorrowland and Banstormer, which has been posted a bunch of times.
But all of these can easily be hidden with trees. One tiny tree blocked nearly the entirety from the TTA. It's not like you need an old-growth forest to hide it.
Something I hadn't noticed until seeing the latest aerial of the Orlando site is that the walkway is also completely gone. It will be reconstructed to go under the canopy. That's pretty cool.
Finally, the view from across the Seven Seas Lagoon.
Here's a new mockup of what it seems it will look like from across the Lagoon.
So, from the Polynesian, the building will show between the peaks of the canopy, albeit in a matching color. Views from the Grand Floridian are an angle similar to the angle the Speedway is at, with the higher points of the canopy sitting in front of the building. And I've mentioned plenty of times the old growth blocking a lot of views from the Contemporary complex.
This is a non-zoomed in view from the monorail. To the right you can see the forest I've been talking about, and it dwarfs the Tron building from the bottom half of the Contemporary and Bay Lake Tower.
So here's where the building will be visible from:
-It will slightly peek out in the distance behind Space Mountain as the bus turns into the MK bus stops.
-The above distant shot from the monorail when entering from the TTC.
-As a part of a group of whitish shapes from the Polynesian.
-As a possible part of the canopy from the TTA/PM and Astro Orbiter.
-A segment of the walkway and possibly the Railroad between edge of the Barnstormer queue and the canopy.
The canopy will block it from a number of places and it will be largely visible for what it is onstage in one barely visited corner of the park. All other clear views will be off-stage.
What... is this in reference to? I have absolutely no idea what that is.
Yup. The aerial of Shanghai is at an angle that it lines up perfectly with the above section, but you're right. There's a slight sliver of the lower building there.
I was referring to this mockup I'd made earlier based on what pictures were available of the work at the time.
But now that we've got images of the view down World Drive (not to mention the new pic someone just took from the Poly), that my estimate was actually off. I thought the building would show a lot more. It seems that the view will be a heck of a lot better than I expected.
All right. All right. Let's settle this. I've thrown everything into CAD, so let's take a look at viewpoints and see if this is going to be visible from 20 spots in the park and not be hidden from the canopy anywhere, ever, in any way like everyone seems to be saying. (In the event anyone takes me seriously, let me make it clear I'm returning hyperbole for hyperbole.
)I took the current satellite image of the area, the new satellite that was just posted of the current construction in Orlando, and the satellite of Shanghai's version. I got them all sized right so that the original could be traced and I could bring it over to the new construction and see where the canopy will sit (cyan).
So that's where the canopy is. Now, let's look at Shanghai Disneyland and see if the box is visible from the side of the canopy. Unfortunately, there is no Streetview from within the park, and I have to go off of 360 images and an image search.
Pictures do show the building poking out. However, these views are from an elevated platform that rings the Shanghai Tomorrowland, as are most views of the ride's exterior. It makes sense. It gives the most epic vista. But no such platform exists in Orlando. Here's where those viewpoints would be from in the Magic Kingdom (yellow arrows):
But, of course, thirty feet in the air. Of course, while we don't have an elevated platform, we do have the Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover. Fortunately, videos have been uploaded from earlier in the year of what a ride on the TTA/PM is like.
From the initial exit of the station, we can see the track going higher than the show building from this perspective. Now, the canopy dips in the center, so there will be poking out in the middle. But this view and the earlier pic from the Poly shows something interesting. We'll get to that later.
Funnily enough given a lot of the conversation we've been having, the building is blocked a number of times on the way towards Space Mountain by foliage.
Again, approaching Space it seems that the building will bridge the two peaks of the canopy like it did from the center of Tomorrowland.
But this isn't the highest we can get in Tomorrowland. So let's take a ride on the Astro Orbiter.
It's close. It's certainly close. But it looks like the building will bridge the canopy. Why do I keep mentioning that? Well, the Shanghai building appears to be a bit more of a darker shade of the Nothing to See Here Navy the back of the Orlando building is. But instead, this building is done in white and gray, more approaching the colors of the canopy itself. If the corner does not pop up, then the shape in the background fits more with the canopy structure rather than looking like a box. And the TTA and Poly pics seem to suggest that in high sunlight, the cladding takes on a much lighter look, almost white. This causes it to blend even better.
But this is all talk about high angles. What about low angles? Is the building visible on the regular elevation of Shanghai's Tomorrowland?
From this lower angle, the building is completely invisible. And what viewpoint does this correlate with in Orlando?
This is the viewpoint of between the TTA/MP and Tron. This is the approach of people to ride the ride, the most important viewpoint in terms of where you want to compose a cool vista. And once you get farther back on the ground level, you've got the elevated tracks to compete with.
The tracks already block Space from a lot of the land. The Tron building will not be seen from the ground of Tomorrowland, the places where the ride is visible getting a view of the canopy instead of the box. The entirety of the Speedway has the canopy between it and the building, with the high peaks blocking visibility.
To me, the most important parts of theming this building are the canopy being the visible portion within Tomorrowland and none of it being visible from Storybook Circus. So let's look at the circus.
I've mentioned numerous times how remarkable it is that despite the close proximity the current plantings block Space from view. And from the majority of the land it appears Tron is also invisible. There are three points where it isn't. The building slightly pokes out above the treeline from Dumbo, and there's the view that the pathway to Tomorrowland and Banstormer, which has been posted a bunch of times.
But all of these can easily be hidden with trees. One tiny tree blocked nearly the entirety from the TTA. It's not like you need an old-growth forest to hide it.
Something I hadn't noticed until seeing the latest aerial of the Orlando site is that the walkway is also completely gone. It will be reconstructed to go under the canopy. That's pretty cool.
Finally, the view from across the Seven Seas Lagoon.
Here's a new mockup of what it seems it will look like from across the Lagoon.
So, from the Polynesian, the building will show between the peaks of the canopy, albeit in a matching color. Views from the Grand Floridian are an angle similar to the angle the Speedway is at, with the higher points of the canopy sitting in front of the building. And I've mentioned plenty of times the old growth blocking a lot of views from the Contemporary complex.
This is a non-zoomed in view from the monorail. To the right you can see the forest I've been talking about, and it dwarfs the Tron building from the bottom half of the Contemporary and Bay Lake Tower.
So here's where the building will be visible from:
-It will slightly peek out in the distance behind Space Mountain as the bus turns into the MK bus stops.
-The above distant shot from the monorail when entering from the TTC.
-As a part of a group of whitish shapes from the Polynesian.
-As a possible part of the canopy from the TTA/PM and Astro Orbiter.
-A segment of the walkway and possibly the Railroad between edge of the Barnstormer queue and the canopy.
The canopy will block it from a number of places and it will be largely visible for what it is onstage in one barely visited corner of the park. All other clear views will be off-stage.
owlsandcoffee
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No kidding! Thank you for the in-depth forum-ing, lol.
lazyboy97o
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Project Sausalito aka Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind. All of this denial that the warehouse will be visible was played out over and over again. Now it’s happening with this project.
SilentWindODoom
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THIS monstrosity?!
This giant eyesore that competes with the f- Hold on. Did we lose the old censored smiley?
Anyway, this thing looks to approach the height of the park's icon and is slapped right near it. It's horrible. It was bad enough that a giant airplane hanger got placed behind Imagination. Did we have to balance that out? Is that what we're doing?
It's visible from the entrance. It's visible from inside the park. It towers over the architecture within. It's, like, 500' from Spaceship Earth and competes with it visually. It's horrid. I admit that I'm going off what I can find, and wish I could see views of how it effects entry and the views from the World Showcase and that half of Future World. But everything I see makes it seem abjectly horrible.
But Tron isn't this. Tron is three times farther from the castle. It has themed elements that cover up the box from most of inside the park. Tron's building in visible in places, but it's nowhere near as bad as it is in Shanghai and as bad as Guardians and Soarin' are in Epcot. Which is why the panicking and hand-wringing over Tron has blown my mind when there are actual problems elsewhere.
It's always said that the blessing Orlando has that Anaheim doesn't have is space. The blessing Anaheim has that I wish we could have in Orlando is a lower friggin' water table.
Giss Neric
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trainplane3
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The most interesting part about this is how they included the full ride audio which is a total surprise.
No Name
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Jeez, a lot happened in two days.
What... is this in reference to? I have absolutely no idea what that is.
Yup. The aerial of Shanghai is at an angle that it lines up perfectly with the above section, but you're right. There's a slight sliver of the lower building there.
I was referring to this mockup I'd made earlier based on what pictures were available of the work at the time.
But now that we've got images of the view down World Drive (not to mention the new pic someone just took from the Poly), that my estimate was actually off. I thought the building would show a lot more. It seems that the view will be a heck of a lot better than I expected.
All right. All right. Let's settle this. I've thrown everything into CAD, so let's take a look at viewpoints and see if this is going to be visible from 20 spots in the park and not be hidden from the canopy anywhere, ever, in any way like everyone seems to be saying. (In the event anyone takes me seriously, let me make it clear I'm returning hyperbole for hyperbole.
I took the current satellite image of the area, the new satellite that was just posted of the current construction in Orlando, and the satellite of Shanghai's version. I got them all sized right so that the original could be traced and I could bring it over to the new construction and see where the canopy will sit (cyan).
View attachment 485613
So that's where the canopy is. Now, let's look at Shanghai Disneyland and see if the box is visible from the side of the canopy. Unfortunately, there is no Streetview from within the park, and I have to go off of 360 images and an image search.
Pictures do show the building poking out. However, these views are from an elevated platform that rings the Shanghai Tomorrowland, as are most views of the ride's exterior. It makes sense. It gives the most epic vista. But no such platform exists in Orlando. Here's where those viewpoints would be from in the Magic Kingdom (yellow arrows):
View attachment 485616
But, of course, thirty feet in the air. Of course, while we don't have an elevated platform, we do have the Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover. Fortunately, videos have been uploaded from earlier in the year of what a ride on the TTA/PM is like.
View attachment 485617
From the initial exit of the station, we can see the track going higher than the show building from this perspective. Now, the canopy dips in the center, so there will be poking out in the middle. But this view and the earlier pic from the Poly shows something interesting. We'll get to that later.
View attachment 485620
Funnily enough given a lot of the conversation we've been having, the building is blocked a number of times on the way towards Space Mountain by foliage.
View attachment 485621
Again, approaching Space it seems that the building will bridge the two peaks of the canopy like it did from the center of Tomorrowland.
But this isn't the highest we can get in Tomorrowland. So let's take a ride on the Astro Orbiter.
View attachment 485623
It's close. It's certainly close. But it looks like the building will bridge the canopy. Why do I keep mentioning that? Well, the Shanghai building appears to be a bit more of a darker shade of the Nothing to See Here Navy the back of the Orlando building is. But instead, this building is done in white and gray, more approaching the colors of the canopy itself. If the corner does not pop up, then the shape in the background fits more with the canopy structure rather than looking like a box. And the TTA and Poly pics seem to suggest that in high sunlight, the cladding takes on a much lighter look, almost white. This causes it to blend even better.
But this is all talk about high angles. What about low angles? Is the building visible on the regular elevation of Shanghai's Tomorrowland?
View attachment 485627
From this lower angle, the building is completely invisible. And what viewpoint does this correlate with in Orlando?
View attachment 485638
This is the viewpoint of between the TTA/MP and Tron. This is the approach of people to ride the ride, the most important viewpoint in terms of where you want to compose a cool vista. And once you get farther back on the ground level, you've got the elevated tracks to compete with.
The tracks already block Space from a lot of the land. The Tron building will not be seen from the ground of Tomorrowland, the places where the ride is visible getting a view of the canopy instead of the box. The entirety of the Speedway has the canopy between it and the building, with the high peaks blocking visibility.
To me, the most important parts of theming this building are the canopy being the visible portion within Tomorrowland and none of it being visible from Storybook Circus. So let's look at the circus.
I've mentioned numerous times how remarkable it is that despite the close proximity the current plantings block Space from view. And from the majority of the land it appears Tron is also invisible. There are three points where it isn't. The building slightly pokes out above the treeline from Dumbo, and there's the view that the pathway to Tomorrowland and Banstormer, which has been posted a bunch of times.
But all of these can easily be hidden with trees. One tiny tree blocked nearly the entirety from the TTA. It's not like you need an old-growth forest to hide it.
Something I hadn't noticed until seeing the latest aerial of the Orlando site is that the walkway is also completely gone. It will be reconstructed to go under the canopy. That's pretty cool.
Finally, the view from across the Seven Seas Lagoon.
Here's a new mockup of what it seems it will look like from across the Lagoon.
View attachment 485661
So, from the Polynesian, the building will show between the peaks of the canopy, albeit in a matching color. Views from the Grand Floridian are an angle similar to the angle the Speedway is at, with the higher points of the canopy sitting in front of the building. And I've mentioned plenty of times the old growth blocking a lot of views from the Contemporary complex.
View attachment 485671
This is a non-zoomed in view from the monorail. To the right you can see the forest I've been talking about, and it dwarfs the Tron building from the bottom half of the Contemporary and Bay Lake Tower.
So here's where the building will be visible from:
-It will slightly peek out in the distance behind Space Mountain as the bus turns into the MK bus stops.
-The above distant shot from the monorail when entering from the TTC.
-As a part of a group of whitish shapes from the Polynesian.
-As a possible part of the canopy from the TTA/PM and Astro Orbiter.
-A segment of the walkway and possibly the Railroad between edge of the Barnstormer queue and the canopy.
The canopy will block it from a number of places and it will be largely visible for what it is onstage in one barely visited corner of the park. All other clear views will be off-stage.
Even with your relatively low standards and favorable choices of photos it’s still an atrocity that you had to write far too many words to try and excuse. Outside of the park is not off-stage and a canopy hurts the forced perspective of Space Mountain no less than a box.
Agreed.
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SilentWindODoom
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F... favorable? What pictures did you want me to use? I used everything I could find. Did you want me to use zoomed in photos and say "This thing completely fills my vision from hundreds of feet away!"? How can every angle I could find and fit in one post be "favorable"?
As for the forced perspective of Space, which is still something I've never heard of outside of this thread and could only find mention of on one listicle from a dining website and I don't necessarily think is needed when the mountain is already huge on its own, Tron is set back and away from Space. It's also shorter, and the old arcade building blocks it from view when you're standing in front of Space and when you're by the bathrooms. Meanwhile, we've already seen from pictures how much farther back and shorter the Tron building looks from approaching the park.
But... again... as I mentioned earlier in the thread... an amorphous white shape doesn't create scale. There's no windows. There's no balconies. There's no doors.
The (tele)photo you selected to post exaggerates the BBB's visibility.
SilentWindODoom
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Do you mean the shot down World Drive?
I don't know much about photography. Just used Google Maps to put me in the view of someone who's there because I'm currently 12 hours away in South Carolina. And it's not exactly the most photographed spot. Buuuuuuut, to my surprise I was able to find a video of a bus ride six months ago.
A bit higher, but still shorter than Space and blocked some by something I'd missed earlier because of an error of mine. I rolled down World Drive and stopped at an entrance thinking it was the bus entrance, but it was actually the CM entrance. The monorail beam sits between the actual bus entrance and Space/Tron.
Also, saying "favorable choices of photos" seems a bit disingenuous a term to use when referring to one shot out of 14 when the remainder are frames from video or satellite imagery.
No. Post 6880.Do you mean the shot down World Drive?
