News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Tim Lohr]

So just to clarify, is the retheme in limbo for World at the moment?

They haven't announced dates because they don't know when they can go back to doing construction work

...but I think the idea of a princess ride, that's also a thrill ride, with a 40 inches height requirement... is an idea that may need to be reworked a bit

 

[Brer Oswald]

They haven't announced dates because they don't know when they can go back to doing construction work

...but I think the idea of a princess ride, that's also a thrill ride, with a 40 inches height requirement... is an idea that may need to be reworked a bit

It’s the same as when people were pitching Winnie the Pooh, an IP I personally enjoy that would fit thematically.

The ride system doesn’t match the targeted audience.

 

[EagleScout610]

They haven't announced dates because they don't know when they can go back to doing construction work

...but I think the idea of a princess ride, that's also a thrill ride, with a 40 inches height requirement... is an idea that may need to be reworked a bit

But it's on for Land, correct?

 

[Brer Oswald]

But it's on for Land, correct?

Seemingly. Based on what’s TP2000 said, the plan was designed around Disneyland’s mountain (the close proximity to NOS makes sense), and it was treated as an afterthought to add it to WDW (much like how they initially planned on cloning Mission Breakout to Florida’s Tower).

Typically how these rides and rethemes seem to work, based on what insiders say, is that they’re planned with Disneyland in mind, and then cloned to Florida as a way to easily add something new to both parks while conserving resources at the same time.

I do think this will happen eventually at WDW if reception is good at Disneyland, however, they have a lot less to gain from it by going ahead immediately. The ride will continue to remain popular in its current state, a huge part due to Florida’s heat. This isn’t to mention the fact that WDW is in the midst of a massive overhaul to Epcot, and some minor changes to MK, whilst they are steadily losing money due to the pandemic. Tourism isn’t just going to bounce back on the 11th. This will take years to recover from. It just makes no financial sense to go full steam with this right now.

The timing of the announcement was opportunistic. Had they of announced it any other time, the backlash would have been way worse, and they knew that. But the ride is still going to be popular, even if a few Twitter “warriors” are bent out of shape.

 

[Touchdown]

I think someone forgot how different WDW and DL splash was, it’s not a simple cut and paste copy over each has vienettes and AAs the other doesn’t.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I think someone forgot how different WDW and DL splash was, it’s not a simple cut and paste copy over each has vienettes and AAs the other doesn’t.

The interior settings are also wildly different from each other.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They haven't announced dates because they don't know when they can go back to doing construction work

They can do construction now but they’re nowhere near that point.

It’s the same as when people were pitching Winnie the Pooh, an IP I personally enjoy that would fit thematically.

The ride system doesn’t match the targeted audience.

Four year olds are tall enough to ride Splash Mountain.

But it's on for Land, correct?

He doesn’t know.

 

[Surferboy567]

Seemingly. Based on what’s TP2000 said, the plan was designed around Disneyland’s mountain (the close proximity to NOS makes sense), and it was treated as an afterthought to add it to WDW (much like how they initially planned on cloning Mission Breakout to Florida’s Tower).

Typically how these rides and rethemes seem to work, based on what insiders say, is that they’re planned with Disneyland in mind, and then cloned to Florida as a way to easily add something new to both parks while conserving resources at the same time.

I do think this will happen eventually at WDW if reception is good at Disneyland, however, they have a lot less to gain from it by going ahead immediately. The ride will continue to remain popular in its current state, a huge part due to Florida’s heat. This isn’t to mention the fact that WDW is in the midst of a massive overhaul to Epcot, and some minor changes to MK, whilst they are steadily losing money due to the pandemic. Tourism isn’t just going to bounce back on the 11th. This will take years to recover from. It just makes no financial sense to go full steam with this right now.

The timing of the announcement was opportunistic. Had they of announced it any other time, the backlash would have been way worse, and they knew that. But the ride is still going to be popular, even if a few Twitter “warriors” are bent out of shape.

First off TP2000, also claimed that Hamilton had to go the way of Splash Mountain since it was racist. Despite it growing app downloads of Disney + by 75%. I don’t think we should trust everyone. Also Hamilton is the least racist show I think I’ve ever seen.

Secondly, and this goes for EVERYONE in this thread. Just because an “insider” comes in here and offers you hope that Splash is staying doesn’t automatically make it true. This message isn’t targeted to anyone in particular but keep this in mind.

I mean nothing negative by this statement but we have to stop believing people blindly. I have made my opinions on this retheme very clear so I will not make them again.

WDW Pro & Marni are the two main sources here. Both have proven themselves, I trust them more then the average insider.

I still think the retheme is on for WDW for a lot of different reasons and it is NOT because I want the retheme to happen. Here are a couple of reasons why:

1.) The media coverage- notice how when Splash Mountain is covered in the media it is said it is racist (it isn’t) but to the people watching if someone tells you over and over again something is racist then you believe it. Disney cares very much about their image.

2.) The announcement- Disney wouldn’t announce it coming to WDW one week and then not follow though. They have proven time and time again they do not care about fan demand.

Again, I could be wrong and I love Splash but the damage has been done even by Disney themselves:



We should first wait and see what the insiders say and give us actual reasoning then we can see and make a judgement for ourselves.

 

[lazyboy97o]

2.) The announcement- Disney wouldn’t announce it coming to WDW one week and then not follow though. They have proven time and time again they do not care about fan demand.

I can’t wait to go shopping at Hyperion Wharf and watch a show in the Main Street Theater.

 

[Surferboy567]

I can’t wait to go shopping at Hyperion Wharf and watch a show in the Main Street Theater.

Very, very different situation.

 

[Mainahman]

I can’t wait to go shopping at Hyperion Wharf and watch a show in the Main Street Theater.

Or walk with Water at Epcot?

 

[Brer Oswald]

First off TP2000, also claimed that Hamilton had to go the way of Splash Mountain since it was racist. Despite it growing app downloads of Disney + by 75%. I don’t think we should trust everyone.

Secondly, and this goes for EVERYONE in this thread. Just because an “insider” comes in here and offers you hope that Splash is staying doesn’t automatically make it true. This message isn’t targeted to anyone in particular but keep this in mind.

I mean nothing negative by this statement but we have to stop believing people blindly. I have made my opinions on this retheme very clear so I will not make them again.

WDW Pro & Marni are the two main sources here. Both have proven themselves, I trust them more then the average insider.

I still think the retheme is on for WDW for a lot of different reasons and it is NOT because I want the retheme to happen. Here are a couple of reasons why:

1.) The media coverage- notice how when Splash Mountain is covered in the media it is said it is racist (it isn’t) but to the people watching if someone tells you over and over again something is racist then you believe it. Disney cares very much about their image.

2.) The announcement- Disney wouldn’t announce it coming to WDW one week and then not follow though. They have proven time and time again they do not care about fan demand.

Again, I could be wrong and I love Splash but the damage has been done even by Disney themeselves:



We should first wait and see what the insiders say and give us actual reasoning then we can see it has been canceled or not.

For your first point, it’s important to distinguish when TP2000 is joking or not. He’s a very sarcastic lad. The Hamilton Post was a joke poking fun at the logic of why this retheme “NEEDS TO HAPPEN”.

He has definitely proven himself. He knows what he’s talking about.

As for my reasoning on why they MIGHT want to pause the retheme at WDW (keyword Might), it really is just logical speculation based on known information.

And to the last point. The media treating Splash Mountain as racist. You and I both know it isn’t true. Most Disney fans know it isn’t true. But the people who know this are either scared to speak up, or are so rapped up in the fact that they want their PatF ride that they’ll cut any throat to get it.

It’s the biggest assasination of character I’ve seen in this Fanbase. For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed to be a Disney fan. However, I’m not going to let some ignorant people ruin something that I love. What will happen WILL happen. I understand the context, I made up my mind long ago, and I’ll continue to love Splash Mountain for the remainder of its life and forever after. I encourage everyone else in the same boat to do the same. Hate doesn’t win.

 

[Surferboy567]

The point I’m trying to make I think is being lost, yes plenty of projects have been cancelled and this one is possibly among them but this is under different circumstances.

All the projects everyone keep’s mentioning didn’t have a social movement behind them, political pressure, and the fact that it is an overlay not a new project all together.

 

[Mainahman]

For your first point, it’s important to distinguish when TP2000 is joking or not. He’s a very sarcastic lad. The Hamilton Post was a joke poking fun at the logic of why this retheme “NEEDS TO HAPPEN”.

He has definitely proven himself. He knows what he’s talking about.

As for my reasoning on why they MIGHT want to pause the retheme at WDW (keyword Might), it really is just logical speculation based on known information.

And to the last point. The media treating Splash Mountain as racist. You and I both know it isn’t true. Most Disney fans know it isn’t true. But the people who know this are either scared to speak up, or are so rapped up in the fact that they want their PatF ride that they’ll cut any throat to get it.

It’s the biggest assasination of character I’ve seen in this Fanbase. For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed to be a Disney fan. However, I’m not going to let some ignorant people ruin something that I love. What will happen WILL happen. I understand the context, I made up my mind long ago, and I’ll continue to love Splash Mountain for the remainder of its life and forever after. I encourage everyone else in the same boat to do the same. Hate doesn’t win.

I think one issue is that, Disney is distancing itself heavily from Song of the South. Some people likely only know it as the attraction, and know nothing of the movie, and have never seen it, nor had a reason to. It was hot out, its a log flume, they got to sit down, watch a show, and get wet. At the ed of the day its an attraction, very well done ( thank you Tony Baxter) however, Disney is distancing themselves from Song of the South, so none of this surprises me.

 

[Surferboy567]

For your first point, it’s important to distinguish when TP2000 is joking or not. He’s a very sarcastic lad. The Hamilton Post was a joke poking fun at the logic of why this retheme “NEEDS TO HAPPEN”.

He has definitely proven himself. He knows what he’s talking about.

As for my reasoning on why they MIGHT want to pause the retheme at WDW (keyword Might), it really is just logical speculation based on known information.

And to the last point. The media treating Splash Mountain as racist. You and I both know it isn’t true. Most Disney fans know it isn’t true. But the people who know this are either scared to speak up, or are so rapped up in the fact that they want their PatF ride that they’ll cut any throat to get it.

It’s the biggest assasination of character I’ve seen in this Fanbase. For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed to be a Disney fan. However, I’m not going to let some ignorant people ruin something that I love. What will happen WILL happen. I understand the context, I made up my mind long ago, and I’ll continue to love Splash Mountain for the remainder of its life and forever after. I encourage everyone else in the same boat to do the same. Hate doesn’t win.

I don’t think Splash is racist at all. I’ve said that many times here I love the attraction. I even said (it isn’t) in my OG post. I also agree with you I will always love Splash Mountain and yes this is frankly ridiculous and shouldn’t of happened in the first place. Now that it has happened though I’m just trying to think about what Disney would logically do. Which I outlined.

Never though that was a sarcastic comment about TP2000 if that is the case I take back what I said about TP2000.

 

[jt04]

The point I’m trying to make I think is being lost, yes plenty of projects have been cancelled and this one is possibly among them but this is under different circumstances.

All the projects everyone keep’s mentioning didn’t have a social movement behind them, political pressure, and the fact that it is an overlay not a new project all together.

Plus it is an IP that actually has relevancy in 2020.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The point I’m trying to make I think is being lost, yes plenty of projects have been cancelled and this one is possibly among them but this is under different circumstances.

All the projects everyone keep’s mentioning didn’t have a social movement behind them, political pressure, and the fact that it is an overlay not a new project all together.

WDWPro didn’t say cancelled. He said postponed indefinitely. That could be 4 years. That could be 10 years. To Disney, it made sense to ANNOUNCE it now. But it just doesn’t make any sense to commit to it financially in Florida, what with the world situation and the current construction at the resort.

Sure, they could shift the budget to immediately fund a complete redo of one of the most popular resorts on property, while they leave Epcot in ruin. But does that make any sense? Knowing that it’s coming eventually is enough for most of the mob. It just doesn’t make sense to go ahead with this till after Epcot is finished.

 

[Surferboy567]

Plus it is an IP that actually has relevancy in 2020.

Plus, Plus it checks every box that people believe is “wrong” with Splash.

Again, not saying those same people should also attack Splash but what is done is done.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Plus it is an IP that actually has relevancy in 2020.

Debatable. It has more of what you would call a “cult following”. Disney Movies typically fall out of relevancy after 5 years, unless they are breakout hits like Little Mermaid And Frozen.

 

[Surferboy567]

WDWPro didn’t say cancelled. He said postponed indefinitely. That could be 4 years. That could be 10 years. To Disney, it made sense to ANNOUNCE it now. But it just doesn’t make any sense to commit to it financially in Florida, what with the world situation and the current construction at the resort.

Sure, they could shift the budget to immediately fund a complete redo of one of the most popular resorts on property, while they leave Epcot in ruin. But does that make any sense? Knowing that it’s coming eventually is enough for most of the mob. It just doesn’t make sense to go ahead with this till after Epcot is finished.

I agree with this statement this could definitely be a valid point. Epcot needs to be taken care of over a ride that frankly doesn’t need an update in my opinion.

EDIT: That being said I think after 3-4 years people will start asking questions.