Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

Agreed. I‘m sure airlines are very concerned right now as well as hotel chains and even big oil companies. Less flights and less road trips lead to less oil consumed.

Almost every major US airline has a base somewhere in Florida.

 

[legwand77]

This is really bad. I can't see how you spin this.

It doesn’t need to go up more. There’s some relatively easy things that can be done to slow the spread. Your opinion is well established and I’m not trying to change it, but the numbers going up is a terrible thing for the economy of FL and especially for tourism. There’s a reason the Orange County mayor is jumping into action now. He knows that they need people to want to come to FL and feel safe doing it for the economy to work. It’s in the best interest for the thousands of people who live and work in FL for the case numbers to drop. Political spin and moving goal posts works for social media debates but money talks and if the masses aren’t buying it that’s a problem.

If these cases continue to be mostly asymptomatic and these cases are only getting sick mildly, which has been the trend it isnt that bad at all.

 

[GoofGoof]

I understand this point, but its not just a capacity issue. Its also cast members who live in Florida, its a. corporation putting money before health, its the optics of an escape from reality moving merrily along while the surrounding areas suffer.

It started already. Some of the workers are already back...as the daily new cases exceed 5K. So maybe there’s a limit set internally (7K, 10K...etc) but it doesn’t seem that way now. Let’s hope they at least follow through on the stuff they promised CMs in order to open safely. Zero tolerance on masks, social distancing and temp checks to start.

 

[legwand77]

They closed for fear, PR and liability

...the difference now it’s June

no the part about what was happening in NYC and Italy and Spain, and we didn't know anything about the virus.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What is the state with the record for new cases in a day? Global?

New York had 10-15,000 a day in early April. The difference is it’s gone down ever since.

Its not just the economy of FL. The economy of the entire USA. Orlando/miami are some of the most popular places in the country for people to visit.

Who’s coming?

 

[lilypgirl]

I don’t know how true this is but while driving long distance yesterday I was listening to talk radio and the host said covid related deaths are under 300 per day and and has been dropping each day. If this is true I think that’s positive news especially in terms of the amount of people infected.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed. I‘m sure airlines are very concerned right now as well as hotel chains and even big oil companies. Less flights and less road trips lead to less oil consumed.

Almost every major US airline has a base somewhere in Florida.

Again...who’s flying?

no the part about what was happening in NYC and Italy and Spain, and we didn't know anything about the virus.

Disney closed due to fear...

The fear of bad PR and fear of liability.

Remember: they weren’t forced to close.


Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one.

 

[GoofGoof]

If these cases continue to be mostly asymptomatic and these cases are only getting sick mildly, which has been the trend it isnt that bad at all.

You are entitled to that opinion, but yours is not necessarily the opinion of the majority of people, especially nationwide. WDW and a lot of FL tourism depends on a national customer base. People don’t want to go on vacation somewhere that has an explosion of cases. Most people don’t care what age the sick people are when planning a trip. Again, a valid argument for a social media debate but in the real world money talks, so without a change the economy is going to suffer.

 

[schuelma]

I don’t know how true this is but while driving long distance yesterday I was listening to talk radio and the host said covid related deaths are under 300 per day and and has been dropping each day. If this is true I think that’s positive news especially in terms of the amount of people infected.

In the U.S? On Sunday's yes, they are down to 200-300 a day.

Much higher during the week- yesterday it was almost 900, and given the new cases spikes I would expect deaths to start going back up.

Its not good.

 

[DisneyCane]

If you think a business that is open. Has a good chance of getting a PPP loan over another that isn’t, I have a bridge to sell you. There are thousands that couldn’t even get one.

How much for the bridge? My business never closed and got a PPP loan to make payroll with lost revenue.

Florida blows past record with more than 5,500 coronavirus cases while deaths approach 3,300

Florida saw a record day adding 5,508 positive coronavirus cases and reported another 44 deaths, according to the state Department of Health. The increase in cases is more than 1,400 over the previ…

www.orlandosentinel.com

Florida now ranks 9th among U.S. states in fatalities, up one spot as of Sunday from 10th.

Or 28th in fatalities per 1 million population which is the only relevant way to compare the states.

BTW, using the numbers I had stored from the other day, here is the age breakdown of the new cases for the past 4 days:

Age	Cases 6/20-6/23	Percent
0-4	262​	2%​
5-14	541​	4%​
15-24	3299​	22%​
25-34	3646​	24%​
35-44	2353​	16%​
45-54	2076​	14%​
55-64	1440​	10%​
65-74	732​	5%​
75-84	430​	3%​
85+	251​	2%​

The median age is under 34. 82% of the new cases are 44 and under, with 46% in the 15-34 age group. This first wave, phase 2 outbreak is clearly being driven by the young adult demographic.

Over 52% of fatalities to date were residents of nursing homes (Long Term Care Facilities in the official language) and 86% are ages 65+.

 

[legwand77]

You are entitled to that opinion, but yours is not necessarily the opinion of the majority of people, especially nationwide. WDW and a lot of FL tourism depends on a national customer base. People don’t want to go on vacation somewhere that has an explosion of cases. Most people don’t care what age the sick people are when planning a trip. Again, a valid argument for a social media debate but in the real world money talks, so without a change the economy is going to suffer.

Well that is your opinion and I respect that. Very large generalization but your opinion.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

You are entitled to that opinion, but yours is not necessarily the opinion of the majority of people, especially nationwide. WDW and a lot of FL tourism depends on a national customer base. People don’t want to go on vacation somewhere that has an explosion of cases. Most people don’t care what age the sick people are when planning a trip. Again, a valid argument for a social media debate but in the real world money talks, so without a change the economy is going to suffer.

International customer base. The Europeans love Orlando.

But international is also a big reason the US economy will suffer. Other countries don't understand how we let this happen. I read an interesting article how Europeans came together to knock out the virus, instead of pointing fingers at one age group to stay home.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You are entitled to that opinion, but yours is not necessarily the opinion of the majority of people, especially nationwide. WDW and a lot of FL tourism depends on a national customer base. People don’t want to go on vacation somewhere that has an explosion of cases. Most people don’t care what age the sick people are when planning a trip. Again, a valid argument for a social media debate but in the real world money talks, so without a change the economy is going to suffer.

And all this “personal opinion” (everyone has one) aside...

You hit on it.

Covid isn’t what’s stopping the “full opening” anymore...money and the lack of willing travelers with money is.

It’s the economy, stupid! And a lack of desire to show up in Florida because they say “trust us!”

 

[GoofGoof]

Again...who’s flying?

Not many people...and not many people coming from places where cases are stable or dropping. Back in March/April lots of people wanted to go to FL because the cases were low compared to where they were. Not so much these days.

 

[legwand77]

How much for the bridge? My business never closed and got a PPP loan to make payroll with lost revenue.



Or 28th in fatalities per 1 million population which is the only relevant way to compare the states.

BTW, using the numbers I had stored from the other day, here is the age breakdown of the new cases for the past 4 days:

Age	Cases 6/20-6/23	Percent
0-4	262​	2%​
5-14	541​	4%​
15-24	3299​	22%​
25-34	3646​	24%​
35-44	2353​	16%​
45-54	2076​	14%​
55-64	1440​	10%​
65-74	732​	5%​
75-84	430​	3%​
85+	251​	2%​

The median age is under 34. 82% of the new cases are 44 and under, with 46% in the 15-34 age group. This first wave, phase 2 outbreak is clearly being driven by the young adult demographic.

Over 52% of fatalities to date were residents of nursing homes (Long Term Care Facilities in the official language) and 86% are ages 65+.

Yes, and you had to open and pay employees to get PPP payroll loan forgiveness, but details don't matter to some.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Again...who’s flying?

Not many people, but The Airlines have Florida as a home base, meaning their hubs for the airline. FLL, MIA, and MCO specifically.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well that is your opinion and I respect that. Very large generalization but your opinion.

That generalization in this case is correct.

Follow the business stories about airline bookings. The people that matter...aren’t down.

The nudnicks that don’t or can’t afford to travel...frankly don’t matter. At least not for Disney.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

International customer base. The Europeans love Orlando.

But international is also a big reason the US economy will suffer. Other countries don't understand how we let this happen. I read an interesting article how Europeans came together to knock out the virus, instead of pointing fingers at one age group to stay home.

That is a big issue as well...

...but not as big as resistance to travel/spend by the American upper and upper middle class.

 

[legwand77]

HOLY MOLY

Was waiting for the daily Yikes post , jk. Missed it yesterday.

Yes the numbers going up is not what we want in a perfect world, but to fixate on only on new cases is not how the health dept or DIsney is looking at this. We know enough about the virus to take a broad look and make smart choices.

 

[schuelma]

Was waiting for the daily Yikes post , jk. Missed it yesterday.

Yes the numbers going up is not what we want in a perfect world, but to fixate on only on new cases is not how the health dept or DIsney is looking at this. We know enough about the virus to take a broad look and make smart choices.

Positivity rate is a better indicate of spread and its jumping pretty significantly.