Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

My mom just sent us cloth masks. If DD wears it for 2 minutes, I'd consider that a win.

It used to be our weekly thing to go to the grocery together...he keeps asking to come, and I keep having to tell him he can't. Fortunately, he knows the virus could make all of us sick, so he understands.

 

[DCBaker]

USSA is doing this as well.

Thanks! Missed that -

"USAA, the country’s fifth largest property-casualty insurer, will be returning $520 million to its members. This payment is a result of data showing members are driving less due to stay-at-home and shelter-in-place guidance across the country. Every member with an auto insurance policy in effect as of March 31, 2020, will receive a 20% credit on two months of premiums in the coming weeks."

USAA to Return $520 Million to Members

SAN ANTONIO – USAA, the country’s fifth largest property-casualty insurer, will be returning $520 million to its members. This payment is a result of data showing members are driving less due to stay-at-home and shelter-in-place guidance across the country. Every member with an auto insurance...

communities.usaa.com

 

[Jwink]

I don't think you've thought any of this through...

When you work in a senior system... protecting that is huge. Also, protecting the roles and who can do what is not trivial. Imagine if Disney laid all the people off and then tried to have a smaller group of people do 'many tasks'. I'm sure the unions ensured that only the correct role could do a task.. not a scab. This ensures the union people will do the essential jobs.. with the right people. The people having their benefits and not being forced to pay COBRA are going to disagree with you a lot as well. In addition, by staying in the union, Disney's decision to lay people off in the future still goes through the union.

Yeah Disney spends a LOT of money training some of these union employees! I don’t think they’d just lay them all off in a few months when things aren’t open yet...

 

[easyrowrdw]

The point remains: don’t Celebrate victory in the middle of the game. Not out of the woods. Modeling is NOT predicting that the case are going to retreat efficiently or steadily to zero everywhere because some areas have shown progress. Maybe by May 1st the picture will be clear

Who is celebrating victory here? You said it hadn't plateaued in Florida, but the numbers currently indicate it has. I didn't say we're done. Why not recognize a positive development when it's presented? Or at least just accept the new information and move on? The strawman retort isn't helpful.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why would they lay everyone off? They need people to operate the park when it opens again

I gotta be honest: is the that a legitimate question?

Because corporations won’t pay people if they cannot profit off people? Some are playing the “nice guy” game right now and I appreciate that...but it’s not gonna last indefinitely.

The longer the closures go - the more job loss. But that’s still the right call.

It’s not just me...a lot of the calculus behind this new “opening May 1st” stuff coming out now (formerly “open by easter”) is about economics and the long term damage to portfolios and other agendas.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah Disney spends a LOT of money training some of these union employees! I don’t think they’d just lay them all off in a few months when things aren’t open yet...

Training has been relatively minor for about 20 years and the turnover is very high. This situation doesn’t change those facts all that much.

 

[Jwink]

Training has been relatively minor for about 20 years and the turnover is very high. This situation doesn’t change those facts all that much.

Gosh- not in my husbands job! He’s a forklift operator, CDL driver, warehouse chief, and holds his pyro certification.

 

[Angel Ariel]

It used to be our weekly thing to go to the grocery together...he keeps asking to come, and I keep having to tell him he can't. Fortunately, he knows the virus could make all of us sick, so he understands.

DD told me with her device today that she was "jealous" of DH. Why? Because he was getting in the car to go pick up her prescription. Even with going outside and playing/walking/exercising, seeing friends on Zoom or Blackboard - she's just not happy being cooped up like this. She understands - almost too much, she's been afraid/worried/anxious at times about getting sick. Or us getting sick. It sucks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Who is celebrating victory here? You said it hadn't plateaued in Florida, but the numbers currently indicate it has. I didn't say we're done. Why not recognize a positive development when it's presented? Or at least just accept the new information and move on? The strawman retort isn't helpful.

There are conflicting reports and testing is still Insufficient. I’m still hoping for the best...but the one recurring thing about this whole situation is people latch onto one detail and spin it into a complete reality. The numbers spiked for 3 or so days last weeks and have settled a lower pattern. But the net has gone up 25% this week. What if the “lower” pattern holds stable for 10 days? That’s not mathematically or medically “better” if you look at it from an endgame term.

What I find interesting is that the number of “cleared” cases so low. That combined with no exposure testing and one test administered per roughly 150 people at most so far gives me pause.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Gosh- not in my husbands job! He’s a forklift operator, CDL driver, warehouse chief, and holds his pyro certification.

That is a commercial trade...I get that. The vast majority of wdw employees require no licensing, certification or osha style awareness training.

You brought up a good exception...but not a high total number one.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Who is celebrating victory here? You said it hadn't plateaued in Florida, but the numbers currently indicate it has. I didn't say we're done. Why not recognize a positive development when it's presented? Or at least just accept the new information and move on? The strawman retort isn't helpful.

My wife was looking at numbers of cardiac arrest deaths during same time last year in New York, highlighted in a NYT article. The numbers are much greater, than last year but these deaths aren't being attributed to COVID, because the people might not have had the test.

 

[Overlordkitty]

Or how it's realistic to think kids are going to keep masks on all day at all. I'm talking the 0 to 3/4 set most especially, where "reasoning" doesn't work, and they touch everything all the time.

Not limited to kids, I feel like a broken record at work reminding adults how to wear masks.

 

[flynnibus]

It will be an employer's market on steroids.

And because of the Union... they will make sure those jobs goto existing union people FIRST.. not the open market.

 

[Jwink]

That is a commercial trade...I get that. The vast majority of wdw employees require no licensing, certification or osha style awareness training.

You brought up a good exception...but not a high total number one.

Right. I see what you’re saying. I only have experience with what he has/needs/requires.

 

[DisneyCane]

It is not "a few anecdotes," especially as you look at countries like SK who tested everyone.



What? 25% of people infected could be completely asytompatic. Considering those with more moderate cases are likely to be sick in bed or hospitalized in severe cases, it is those well enough to be in public spreading the illness undetected are one of the things we most need to be concerned about.

First of all, SK has not tested "everyone" or even close to everyone. Second, you are confusing the percentage of cases that are asymptomatic with asymptomatic patients being the primary driver of the spread. Estimates are that up to 86% of cases are asymptomatic. That doesn't mean they are the primary driver of the spread. It is not known how contagious a symptomatic or an asymptomatic patient is.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

That is a commercial trade...I get that. The vast majority of wdw employees require no licensing, certification or osha style awareness training.

You brought up a good exception...but not a high total number one.

I’m not sure I would say “vast majority” - there are a lot of moving parts to the WDW property that require a lot of special talent.

 

[Jwink]

Because they don't need to pay them for the next X number of weeks to sit at home. When the parks eventually reopen they will, by definition, need less operating staff and the unemployment situation will be such that there will be no shortage of workers to fill the jobs they actually need at whatever terms (within the scope of the union contracts/local labor law) they want to offer. It will be an employer's market on steroids.

But they aren’t t paying? Furlough with no pay

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not sure I would say “vast majority” - there are a lot of moving parts to the WDW property that require a lot of special talent.

Of 65,000...how many do you think those numbers include?

I’m looking for a guess...there’s no “right answer”
But you can eliminate: all management...obviously the CP/IP...and near all the food and bev and the entirety of guess services right off the bat.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But they aren’t t paying? Furlough with no pay

Correct...a “furlough” is unpaid with retention of benefits. That’s what the federal government is holding over the corporations heads so as to not dump 20% or more of the American public off their healthcare insurance when it would absolutely bankrupt us all.

 

[Lora Baines Bradley]

Thought this was interesting. According to these studies, it seems the virus came to NY from Europe, not Asia.

Studies Show N.Y. Outbreak Originated in Europe (Published 2020)

The C.D.C. outlined how essential employees can go back to work even if they have been exposed. Scientists warn that the virus might not fade in warm weather.

www.nytimes.com