Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[hopemax]

First of all, SK has not tested "everyone" or even close to everyone. Second, you are confusing the percentage of cases that are asymptomatic with asymptomatic patients being the primary driver of the spread. Estimates are that up to 86% of cases are asymptomatic. That doesn't mean they are the primary driver of the spread. It is not known how contagious a symptomatic or an asymptomatic patient is.

This is not the study I mentioned earlier. This is a 2nd study that found patients were shedding virus in higher quantities before Day 5 (the average time when people start feeling symptoms).

People 'shed' high levels of coronavirus, study finds, but most are likely not infectious after recovery begins

People "shed" high levels of coronavirus early on after being infected, a new study finds, but most are likely not infectious after their recovery begins.

www.statnews.com

At the time of this article it had not been submitted for peer review, but it has now

Virological assessment of hospitalized patients with COVID-2019 - Nature

Detailed virological analysis of nine cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) provides proof of active replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in tissues of the upper respiratory tract.

www.nature.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe 10%? Even then I can't think of many - take out all hotel, attraction, merch, custodial, food and beverage, etc. to start as they can be easily replaced in the marketplace. There are some highly specialized attraction maintenance and very specific entertainment tech, but what percentage could that be?

I’d say like 25%...but that’s a ballpark number

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is not the study I mentioned earlier. This is a 2nd study that found patients were shedding virus in higher quantities before Day 5 (the average time when people start feeling symptoms).

People 'shed' high levels of coronavirus, study finds, but most are likely not infectious after recovery begins

People "shed" high levels of coronavirus early on after being infected, a new study finds, but most are likely not infectious after their recovery begins.

www.statnews.com

At the time of this article it had not been submitted for peer review, but it has now

Virological assessment of hospitalized patients with COVID-2019 - Nature

Detailed virological analysis of nine cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) provides proof of active replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in tissues of the upper respiratory tract.

www.nature.com

I trust none of the Chinese data. It’s just too suspect.

But I trust German work. Not at all surprisingly - they have by far handled this the best.

I wish there was a casino open I could have prop bet that in...it’s a sure thing.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Maybe 10%? Even then I can't think of many - take out all hotel, attraction, merch, custodial, food and beverage, etc. to start as they can be easily replaced in the marketplace. There are some highly specialized attraction maintenance and very specific entertainment tech, but what percentage could that be?

“Easily replaced in the marketplace” wasn’t the question.... anyone can be replaced.

But regarding licenses, certificates, etc.

All table service restaurants need chefs, all food service locations need a manager with serve-safe or equivalent certification.

All bus drivers have a cdl don’t they?

All actors and stage managers are part of Actors Equity.

Pyro exists in all of the parks and requires whole teams with pyro certification.

You’ve got forklift and cdl drivers all around the property.

Horticulture department.

Maintenance and engineering.

It all adds up that’s for sure.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’d say like 25%...but that’s a ballpark number

Yeah I’d guess around there too. Which if you take out cp/ icp that’s a significant amount.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah I’d guess around there too. Which if you take out cp/ icp that’s a significant amount.

Significant...but still by far the minority. I forgot Merch and housekeeping

Reality is 30,000+ full time employees require little training.

Ok...adieu, mon ami

 

[Jwink]

Then I don't know what you are asking.

I’m sorry. I said ‘why would they lay off everyone?’ And you said they can’t pay everyone to stay home... so I said they aren’t paying anyone most are furloughed. Were you using lay off interchangeably with furlough?

 

[DCBaker]

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

This is tied to Japan really starting to have an outbreak now versus earlier and the state of emergency that was ordered a few days ago.

 

[Phil12]

I think we really need to look at the bright side of this pandemic. It's been a little over 100 years since the Spanish Flu pandemic which killed about 50,000,000 people. This is obviously the way of mother nature to reduce the global population.

Due to the skilled efforts of scientists worldwide, we have thus far been very successful in minimizing deaths from this current CV pandemic. Let's see how it plays out. Perhaps we will be smart enough to heed all the quarantine orders and make short work of defeating this virus.

Or perhaps the "save the economy" forces will prevail and we'll go back to business as usual and let the virus have it's way with the less cautious among us.

I think it will be a mix of the two and virus hot-spots will continue until a vaccine or a successful treatment is developed.

But it's highly interesting to watch as public health is jeopardized while politicians all over the globe use widely different approaches to stem the spread.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I thought we meant specific training by Disney vs a bus driver, chef, etc. that brings normal trade skills.

Not that I was aware of. I also wouldn’t count pyro certification or Equity Stage Managers as “normal trade skills”... for that matter neither is a chef at a AAA 4 or 5 diamond restaurant.

 

[DisneyCane]

Here's a story from today that shows the downside of wearing masks in public. In prior trips to Publix since social distancing started, it seemed that most people made an effort to keep space around them.

Today, I went to Publix to buy some zucchini. I went to the spot in the produce section and spent maybe 20 seconds selecting a package. In that time, three people, all wearing masks, came right next to me to grab an item. That's the problem with masks. They give people a false sense of security and make them feel like they can do whatever they want.

Not to mention the 25% of people that are too stupid to follow the one way aisles even with "do not enter" signs and arrows on the floor.

I may not agree with the forced closing of all "non-essential" businesses. However, I do think that social distancing should be practiced at open businesses. The mask wearing makes that harder to accomplish.

 

[GoofGoof]

Here's a story from today that shows the downside of wearing masks in public. In prior trips to Publix since social distancing started, it seemed that most people made an effort to keep space around them.

Today, I went to Publix to buy some zucchini. I went to the spot in the produce section and spent maybe 20 seconds selecting a package. In that time, three people, all wearing masks, came right next to me to grab an item. That's the problem with masks. They give people a false sense of security and make them feel like they can do whatever they want.

Not to mention the 25% of people that are too stupid to follow the one way aisles even with "do not enter" signs and arrows on the floor.

I may not agree with the forced closing of all "non-essential" businesses. However, I do think that social distancing should be practiced at open businesses. The mask wearing makes that harder to accomplish.

The suggestion to wear masks in public like at the grocery store is not to keep you healthy but to keep you from potentially infecting others if you are infected and don’t know it. Nobody should feel “safer” wearing a mask unless it’s a good one and you shouldn’t be buying those, leave them for the healthcare workers.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Thought this was interesting. According to these studies, it seems the virus came to NY from Europe, not Asia.

Studies Show N.Y. Outbreak Originated in Europe (Published 2020)

The C.D.C. outlined how essential employees can go back to work even if they have been exposed. Scientists warn that the virus might not fade in warm weather.

www.nytimes.com

That was all but guaranteed

There are some people that you can listen to, multiply what they say by “-1”, and then by default get the truth.

I knew in my “hot zone” that the minute Italy was out of control, we were gonna have issues. Travel to Italy is “tribal” amongst a lot of that large demographic around here.

 

[Gabe1]

Suggestion for theme park santizers. Make the kids use it!

Giggle! Wont keep the kids from licking the windows and handrails though.

 

[natatomic]

The suggestion to wear masks in public like at the grocery store is not to keep you healthy but to keep you from potentially infecting others if you are infected and don’t know it. Nobody should feel “safer” wearing a mask unless it’s a good one and you shouldn’t be buying those, leave them for the healthcare workers.

Nobody SHOULD feel safer just because they have a mask. But...have you ever met other people before?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Giggle! Wont keep the kids from licking the windows and handrails though.

Speaking of licking things.... how come the honey wall in Pooh's queue doesn't taste like honey? It's not even slightly sweet.

 

[Giss Neric]

Here's a story from today that shows the downside of wearing masks in public. In prior trips to Publix since social distancing started, it seemed that most people made an effort to keep space around them.

Today, I went to Publix to buy some zucchini. I went to the spot in the produce section and spent maybe 20 seconds selecting a package. In that time, three people, all wearing masks, came right next to me to grab an item. That's the problem with masks. They give people a false sense of security and make them feel like they can do whatever they want.

Not to mention the 25% of people that are too stupid to follow the one way aisles even with "do not enter" signs and arrows on the floor.

I may not agree with the forced closing of all "non-essential" businesses. However, I do think that social distancing should be practiced at open businesses. The mask wearing makes that harder to accomplish.

Do not expect all people to be the same even at times like this. If we encounter people like those, we should just be the one to adjust or in that case just distance yourself discreetly and not suddenly like you're disgusted at what they're doing. I personally wear a mask just cause I do have family member who are frontliners and they gave me some (not the N95 just regular ones) and they told me to wear one outside. Just mind my own business whenever doing grocery. Go in and go out as quickly as possible.

 

[flynnibus]

This is tied to Japan really starting to have an outbreak now versus earlier and the state of emergency that was ordered a few days ago.

funny how it happens after they give up hoping the olymoics would happen this year. I don't think that is necessarily a coincidence either...

 

[Nunu]

Speaking of face masks, in my country, it was announced today that, from April 13 on, everybody will have to wear one while out in public. Those who won't, will be fined. 3 million masks will be distributed to those who haven't been able to acquire any. President said this new order will stay in place for a while (didn't specify for how long, yet). He'll address and inform the public about this, and other COVID-19 related subjects next Sunday.

Remember I told you about our 3yo little girl active case? Today, It was reported that she's recovering after about 2 weeks in the hospital. This great news comes at a time when renewed hope is needed, and reminds us to stay diligent in the efforts being made down here.