MK Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

UNCgolf

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Because those 5 and 6 year olds don't stay 5 and 6 year old? And not everything can be for them. Not likely, but you have to think of "easy overlay" and sometimes that overrules something else. I think you're letting this idea you have it's too kid friendly.

Incredicoaster isn't exactly letting on 5 or 6 year olds and that's just fine 🤷‍♂️ it's also 40. They do just fine.

I feel like you're missing the point.

Most of the kids that loved it at 5-6 don't care that much about it when they're 12, at least in my experience. And of course not everything can be for them -- that's exactly what I'm saying. Why do a Cars overlay for a ride that doesn't fit the fan base? Use a different overlay that people of the proper age would want; most teenagers and adults aren't going to care that much about a Cars ride. They'd be better off leaving it exactly as it is than changing it to Cars, because a Cars overlay would almost certainly decrease the popularity.

Using Cars would be almost nonsensical for that ride. Disney is smarter than that -- they wouldn't put a Frozen ride there either; it would just lead to a ton of complaints. I also said my original post that the Incredibles would make far more sense if they were going to use Pixar.
 
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𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇

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Either of these work?

(Cars) (Incredibles)
Not an exact clone of RnRC but close enough to get the idea. While any music can be made to overlay "well enough" the trick is weaving a story around the coaster; something California Adventure's Incredicoaster fails to do successfully. I suspect any attempt at "Pixaring" RnRC would result in the same half-baked attempt. That said, as you can see within the videos above there are enough breaks in the songs where AAs, screenz and video montages could be added to make a "better" overlay.

As stated numerous times though (same goes for Jim Hill's ridiculous Monster's Inc theory) the 48" height requirement remains the biggest obstacle. The target demo won't be able to ride it.

Personally, I'd rather it themed to a villain or Indiana Jones or even Muppet's Dr. Teeth and The Electric Mayhem. That "A Goofy Movie" armchair mentioned previously would be a good choice if Imagineering is going to stick with the simple overlay and on-board music.
As a last resort there's always @WDWTank's Sky High? :p
 
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MisterPenguin

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The problem is it has a 48 inch height restriction, which eliminates most kids under roughly 8.

Just a wee quibble... Half of all 7 year olds are 48". :D

So, the IP you want should be geared for 7 year olds and up. Aerosmith was definitely aiming for teens.

IMO, an Incredicoaster would be the best fit in the new IP-only universe.

But, given current conditions.... there's no rush. And definitely no Rush.
 

UNCgolf

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Just a wee quibble... Half of all 7 year olds are 48". :D

So, the IP you want should be geared for 7 year olds and up. Aerosmith was definitely aiming for teens.

IMO, an Incredicoaster would be the best fit in the new IP-only universe.

But, given current conditions.... there's no rush. And definitely no Rush.

Yeah, I know -- but you basically need to be thinking 8 or higher to ensure someone can ride. The average 7 year old boy is between 47-48" and the average 7 year old girl is shorter.

Basically, though, your second sentence was my main point. Cars is a franchise geared more towards younger kids, so it's not even remotely a good fit for that coaster. I don't think the Incredibles is a great fit either, but it would be fine and a much better choice than Cars.
 

MisterPenguin

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The average 7 year old boy is between 47-48" and the average 7 year old girl is shorter.

If I was an original Star Trek episode, I'd be The Trouble with Quibbles...

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UNCgolf

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If I was an original Star Trek episode, I'd be The Trouble with Quibbles...

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The data I was looking at had the average boy at 47.7" which would still technically be too short to ride!

Regardless, it would still leave out roughly half of 7 year olds. And I don't think it matters that much anyways, because you'd really want 5 and 6 year olds to be able to ride a Cars attraction -- Radiator Springs Racers is only 40".
 

UNCgolf

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Listen, if the ride ends up being wreck it ralph, and you have to use a controller, I ain't goin! Im not touching a controller thousands of adults or kids touched. Nu uh. Not after this virus.

This is actually a fair point. I wonder if Disney will shy away from things like this in the future because of sanitation issues.

Obviously there's tons of things you could touch throughout the park that multiple people will have touched, but it's still different to have something that's an essential part of an attraction. CMs would likely have to spray/wipe down each individual controller between each show which would cause operational inefficiency.
 
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MisterPenguin

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Listen, if the ride ends up being wreck it ralph, and you have to use a controller, I ain't goin! Im not touching a controller thousands of adults or kids touched. Nu uh. Not after this virus.

Never going to touch a railing in a queue? Any part of the inside of a ride vehicle? The pole of a monorail or bus? The armests and back of seats of any show? Any button inside or outside of an elevator?
 
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doctornick

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As stated numerous times though (same goes for Jim Hill's ridiculous Monster's Inc theory) the 48" height requirement remains the biggest obstacle. The target demo won't be able to ride it.

As mentioned though, the Incredicoaster in DCA has a 48" height restriction, same as RNR. Also Toy Story Land mainstay RC Racer has a 47" restriction.
 

UNCgolf

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As mentioned though, the Incredicoaster in DCA has a 48" height restriction, same as RNR. Also Toy Story Land mainstay RC Racer has a 47" restriction.

I think both Toy Story and the Incredibles have far more appeal for older fans than Cars (I would say the Toy Story movies, especially the newer ones, are geared towards adults as much as they are to children).
 

Josh Hendy

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Listen, if the ride ends up being wreck it ralph, and you have to use a controller, I ain't goin! Im not touching a controller thousands of adults or kids touched. Nu uh. Not after this virus.
Ewwww you reminded me, the last time I rode Jurassic Park River Adventure a passenger before me had deliberately left a huge gob of spit on the big cushioned bumper right in front of my face. What a pig. I will never visit a theme park during a contagious disease outbreak, ever, no matter how many precautions they claim to be taking.

Even if there isn't a controller there is nearly always a harness, handle or something you have no choice but to touch and there is no way Disney is going to hire a squad of cleaners to disinfect every vehicle on every ride cycle. Thousands of gallons of disinfectant and millions of sterile wipes per day?
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homerdance

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They'd have to gut it and build a new ride to turn it into Cars, too. Otherwise you're eliminating a huge portion of the fan base. It really wouldn't be a good idea to retheme it to any Pixar property, but the Incredibles is probably the best option.
I personally believe the "IP" associated with a ride is not that important. If a ride is good, it is good regardless of the IP(or lack there of). Having it tied to a good IP will only go so far, cause if a ride sucks, it sucks.
 

UNCgolf

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I personally believe the "IP" associated with a ride is not that important. If a ride is good, it is good regardless of the IP(or lack there of). Having it tied to a good IP will only go so far, cause if a ride sucks, it sucks.

I mostly agree. I don't think any ride needs IP to be good. In fact, I think it's probably easier to build a great ride when a designer isn't constrained by IP, although it's also probably easier to build a decent ride with IP because the IP can provide a boost to the ride. Frozen Ever After is a good example of the latter -- if all the characters were replaced by generic figures and songs we didn't already know, it would be an absolutely horrendous ride because there's really nothing to it (no plot etc.) beyond "hey look it's Frozen characters and Frozen songs!". The ride only works (to the extent it does) because of the Frozen IP.

Regardless, I'm not talking about what I personally want. I'm talking about what Disney would want from a marketing and overall customer satisfaction standpoint.
 
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@danlb_2000 found a permit for this the other day
 

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