EPCOT New Crêperie restaurant coming to Epcot's France Pavilion as part of Ratatouille expansion

[lazyboy97o]

It really is on you to leave the thread. People are allowed to discuss the look of a new building in a thread about that new building. There is literally nothing else on topic to discuss. We can’t review the crepes yet. What should we discuss? The Hagrid coaster? The view of GotG from the France pavilion?

I hope they don’t hire Dominicans pretending to be Cubans to roll the crepes.

 

[ToTBellHop]

But you are not discussing the look of the building, it hasn't been built yet. you are discussing a drawing.

That is a load of BS and you know it. If we can’t discuss the building or the food, there’s nothing to discuss.

Or you could just leave. The owner of this website made this thread for people to discuss this new project.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But you are not discussing the look of the building, it hasn't been built yet. you are discussing a drawing.

A drawing whose whole purpose is to convey the look of the building...

 

[eliza61nyc]

That is a load of BS and you know it. If we can’t discuss the building or the food, there’s nothing to discuss.

Or you could just leave. The owner of this website made this thread for people to discuss this new project.

discuss away, who told you not to?? what they heck are you talking about. I said the building is not up yet that what was being discussed was a drawing.

if you're going to get your knickers in a knot at least follow the conversation

 

[lazyboy97o]

Sorry I simply disagree, when I'm looking at at beautiful scene the placement of the windows has absolutely no bearing on whether or not for me the scene is beautiful, unless of course the window does not show the scene. now if a design element is not noticeable can't really say if it matters or not can one.

You’re pretty much claiming that architecture is not a thing.

 

[eliza61nyc]

You’re pretty much claiming that architecture is not a thing.

Oy vey, from saying it's a pretty building to now architecture is not a thing. I need a bag a popcorn for this much drama.
I'm out.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oy vey, from saying it's a pretty building to now architecture is not a thing. I need a bag a popcorn for this much drama.
I'm out.

You said the placement, size and shape of windows don’t matter. That’s a rather major component of architecture and the creation of built places.

 

[eliza61nyc]

You said the placement, size and shape of windows don’t matter. That’s a rather major component of architecture and the creation of built places.

I said for me to notice beautiful scenes they don't. YOU extrapolated the rest.
I said in the very first page I am not an architect and did not know enough to comment on those aspect of the drawing. Agsin YOU made it more. For the final time, i said it was a pretty building and simply wanted to hear why some one said it was awful.
I'm sure architecture is a fine career path
Not getting sucked into this vortex.
It still is a very pretty building

 

[Missing20K]

I said for me to notice beautiful scenes they don't.

You must realize that for you to notice a beautiful scene, someone had to determine the size, type, and location of the window for you to look through, yes? One can't have a pretty view from inside a building without a very deliberate placement of windows. When fenestration is placed without thought, one gets windows at hotels or restaurants overlooking mechanical equipment, dumpsters and other undesirable views. Some people are affected by such situations more than others, but nearly all people would rather not look upon said scenes.

For the final time, i said it was a pretty building and simply wanted to hear why some one said it was awful.

You've read many reasons why some of us feel the building (or is it a drawing of a building?, now I'm confused ) is awful. You just disagree with those reasons. That's fine. Takes all kinds and whatnot.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

You’re pretty much claiming that architecture is not a thing.

Literally no one is saying that.

We're saying some of you are taking it too far.

You're making a mountain out of a detail on a roof which will not function. The whole thing is a facade - and a small one at that. As long as it blends in and looks like it could be in France and not Miami Beach, they did just fine.

I'm sure we could pick out other things that are not accurate. How many of the CM's working in WS would wear those costumes at home? How much of the food is truly authentic?

It's a representation at a theme park. It's not art. It's not a museum.

Be snobby about museums, or about opera. Being snobby about a theme park is like being snobby about fast food chains.

I dare say architects are not the target audience to impress here.

I wish I had nothing more important to worry about in life than minute details on a yet-to-be created facade's historical and architectural accuracy at Disney World.

Enjoy it, or don't.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The view of GotG from the France pavilion?

Give it time...

 

[seascape]

Literally no one is saying that.

We're saying some of you are taking it too far.

You're making a mountain out of a detail on a roof which will not function. The whole thing is a facade - and a small one at that. As long as it blends in and looks like it could be in France and not Miami Beach, they did just fine.

I'm sure we could pick out other things that are not accurate. How many of the CM's working in WS would wear those costumes at home? How much of the food is truly authentic?

It's a representation at a theme park. It's not art. It's not a museum.

Be snobby about museums, or about opera. Being snobby about a theme park is like being snobby about fast food chains.

I dare say architects are not the target audience to impress here.

I wish I had nothing more important to worry about in life than minute details on a yet-to-be created facade's historical and architectural accuracy at Disney World.

Enjoy it, or don't.

We agree. My wife loves crepes and we always get one at the stand outside the French Pavilion. Now we can get one inside and have table service. It may or may not be the most artistically correct design but it's the food that matters.

 

[peter11435]

Literally no one is saying that.

We're saying some of you are taking it too far.

You're making a mountain out of a detail on a roof which will not function. The whole thing is a facade - and a small one at that. As long as it blends in and looks like it could be in France and not Miami Beach, they did just fine.

I'm sure we could pick out other things that are not accurate. How many of the CM's working in WS would wear those costumes at home? How much of the food is truly authentic?

It's a representation at a theme park. It's not art. It's not a museum.

Be snobby about museums, or about opera. Being snobby about a theme park is like being snobby about fast food chains.

I dare say architects are not the target audience to impress here.

I wish I had nothing more important to worry about in life than minute details on a yet-to-be created facade's historical and architectural accuracy at Disney World.

Enjoy it, or don't.

Many would successfully argue that it is in fact art.

You shouldn’t need to be an architect to notice the details here that don’t make sense.

You may not notice all of the details that are used improperly or missing from this artwork. But it’s the inclusion of these elements and commintment to authencity that has largely made disney what it is in the industry.

 

[ToTBellHop]

We agree. My wife loves crepes and we always get one at the stand outside the French Pavilion. Now we can get one inside and have table service. It may or may not be the most artistically correct design but it's the food that matters.

I routinely find the food at World Showcase to be "good, but not mindblowing" and usually not as good as in the actual country. So for me, the interior and exterior look of the place is the "DISNEY MAGIC" (i.e. attention to detail). If I want crepes in a hole-in-the-wall, I can go to any city in my state or pretty much any block in nyc.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

OK, I'm at work, I can't do this all day, but...

Many would successfully argue that it is in fact art.

Good luck with that. It's as much art as a garden gnome on your lawn. It's a non-functioning decoration on the outside of a building designed to sell food.

But it’s the inclusion of these elements and commintment to authencity that has largely made disney what it is in the industry.

Innovation in animation and (way secondarily) theme parks, and telling beloved stories with beloved IP largely made Disney what it is in the industry.

"Daddy, let's go to Disney World and see the parapet in France! I bet it's really authentic although I've never been to France and I'm 8 years old. I wish they wouldn't put Ratatouille over here, even though I love that movie! Why do the kids at school make fun of me so much?"

 

[peter11435]

Good luck with that. It's as much art as a garden gnome on your lawn. It's a non-functioning decoration on the outside of a building designed to sell food.

I’m not refering to this project specifically. I’m refering to themed design and themed entertainment overall.

Innovation in animation and (way secondarily) theme parks, and telling beloved stories with beloved IP largely made Disney what it is in the industry.

I said “in the industry” refering to the theme park industry.

IP is not what made Disney the leader in themed entertainment.

 

[eliza61nyc]

OK, I'm going to venture a question. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE... for the love of all that is holy. This is a general question. I am not saying we should not pay attention to detail or any thing else. LOL,

Is the problem that the building is ugly for some or is it that it does not look like it comes from France?

 

[lazyboy97o]

You're making a mountain out of a detail on a roof which will not function. The whole thing is a facade - and a small one at that. As long as it blends in and looks like it could be in France and not Miami Beach, they did just fine.

Which architectural elements are used and how they are composed is exactly how a building looks like it belongs in France or Miami Beach.

I'm sure we could pick out other things that are not accurate. How many of the CM's working in WS would wear those costumes at home? How much of the food is truly authentic?

This is something that everyone criticizing this design is likely aware of and understands the design decisions involved. You just keep tossing things out, not knowing how they are actually part of a design, hoping to stumble into a “gotcha.”

It's a representation at a theme park. It's not art. It's not a museum.

Be snobby about museums, or about opera. Being snobby about a theme park is like being snobby about fast food chains.

And this right here is the issue. You don’t respect themed entertainment. You don’t know the role of different elements, so they must not be of consequence. You do not think themed entertainment is actual design or storytelling, so it must not be design or storytelling.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I still maintain that this is a plussed version of the crêpes booth. Not a minused version of the France pavilion.

It has just fallen into some in-between limbo where rightful shortcomings of a fully realised WS pavilion standard are applied to WS food booths - whose design is precisely that of 'box with glued on pseudo-architectural elements'. Which is, frankly, why I resent in the first place every one of them: the Disney difference is exactly the realisation of amusement park utilities into fully realised architectural settings.

 

[Missing20K]

OK, I'm going to venture a question. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE... for the love of all that is holy. This is a general question. I am not saying we should not pay attention to detail or any thing else. LOL,

Is the problem that the building is ugly for some or is it that it does not look like it comes from France?

Ugly is subjective. Looking as though it belongs in France can also be a bit subjective, not to mention how different France looks from city to city, or even Paris from arrondissement to arrondissement.

For me, and some others I think, the issue is the haphazard way in which the elements (windows, roofs, doors, the overall size and shape of the "buildings", choice of materials and detailing) have been composed, does not reflect real world construction or conditions, and does not really reflect the conditions of the environment in which they are attempting to recreate.

For hyperbole's sake, it would be akin to using a metal, exterior entry door and using it inside for a closet. Would everyone notice? Surely not. But most everyone would think something is odd about that really heavy closet door, even if they can't put their finger on exactly why.