News New Crêperie restaurant coming to Epcot's France Pavilion as part of Ratatouille expansion

[peter11435]

I guess every concept art released that is not super detailed will be scrutinized even if Disney did on purpose and wants to keep it vague.

It’s not the details that are missing from the art that are the problem.

 

[Missing20K]

Faux chimney gonna burn da whole building down.

 

[Missing20K]

I'm guessing the artist creating this particular concept has a limited understanding of building construction and typology.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Please be built next to the toilets.

You know, a crêperie next to a cr

Will their be potpourri between the creperie and the craperie?

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Will their be potpourri between the creperie and the craperie?

Yes, all the CM's are currently being potty trained.

As an insider tip, don't ask for a crêpe with Nutella...

 

[The Empress Lilly]

The site that shall be shamed not named revealed today that the interior of the restaurant will be themed after A Bug's Life. Two AA's are currently being programmed to replay the movie's iconic lunch scene:

"This food tastes like crêpe!"
"Let me try...whoah...it is crêpe!"

 

[eddie104]

It’s not the details that are missing from the art that are the problem.

I get that everything has to look like something Disney would release back in the day. Everybody claims to be an expert on this site so I just go with the flow. Sometimes people want to enjoy some news without all the extra unnecessary criticism in my opinion.

 

[rkleinlein]

In addition to the atrocious architectural design others have already pointed out, the overall theming is nonsense. It looks nothing like Paris (or anywhere else in France). Not even close.

Perhaps the people who designed this have never been to Paris.

Or watched any movies filmed in Paris.

Or looked at any photographs of the most photographed city in the world.

Or walked through the France pavillion at Epcot.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Pandora doesn’t really look like Pandora, either.

 

[ToTBellHop]

In addition to the atrocious architectural design others have already pointed out, the overall theming is nonsense. It looks nothing like Paris (or anywhere else in France). Not even close.

Perhaps the people who designed this have never been to Paris.

Or watched any movies filmed in Paris.

Or looked at any photographs of the most photographed city in the world.

Or walked through the France pavillion at Epcot.

But they HAVE eaten french fries and french toast.

To be fair, they DID say the existing pavilion has a certain "je ne sais quoi". Apparently the designers literally don't know what is special about the existing pavilion. Or France. Or french toast.

 

[rkleinlein]

But they HAVE eaten french fries and french toast.

Let's hope so, but can we really be sure? And more the the point, have they eaten crêpes?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ok so first what the heck is a faux Mansard wall and party walls. I've spent summers in France, no one mentioned party walls. Joking

Could it be that you are in the architecture industry??

I don't think an "orphan " window makes it look cheap? I know nothing about structure design so I ask in general interest, i don't think I've taken that deep of of a notice outside of the general " that's pretty"
So again I don't see how it resembles a "mall", or at least not any malls I've been too.
Looks nice to me.

A Mansard roof has a specific purpose, the creation of additional occupied space. That is why they are typically full of dormer windows, because they created an attic space that could be be used as an additional floor. A faux-Mansard is one created simply to sort of mimic the style and in applications such as this is very much rooted in strip malls. There is no evidence of a livable attic and there would be no need for such a space in a two story building, especially when there are two story buildings on both sides.

Party walls are the common walls between connecting buildings. They can easily be seen throughout the France Pavilion as they stick up above the roofs because they help prevent the spread of fire between buildings. The chimneys then stick up above them so that hot embers are less likely to fall on the roof and catch the building on fire.

The orphan window isn’t cheap, it is lazy and poor design. It’s there to easily try and add visual interest but lacks any sense. What is it trying to communicate? Why would there be just one window that is completely different in its size, ornament and placement from the others? Nothing else suggests something like an expansion or renovation of the building.

The whole methodology is one that is typical of poor suburban developments. It’s random bits that are sort of something historical but applied with no regard for that history.

I guess every concept art released that is not super detailed will be scrutinized even if Disney did on purpose and wants to keep it vague.

The problem is not a lack of detail or trying to be vague. A collector head at the top of a parapet is just wrong, flat out. You don’t put a shower drain in the ceiling. There is no benefit to it being drawn wrong.

 

[Bostb71]

In addition to the atrocious architectural design others have already pointed out, the overall theming is nonsense. It looks nothing like Paris (or anywhere else in France). Not even close.

Perhaps the people who designed this have never been to Paris.

Or watched any movies filmed in Paris.

Or looked at any photographs of the most photographed city in the world.

Or walked through the France pavillion at Epcot.

They built 2 theme parks 26 miles outside of Paris - they should have some frame of reference

 

[eddie104]

I never had crepes before I need to try them.

 

[Missing20K]

A Mansard roof has a specific purpose, the creation of additional occupied space. That is why they are typically full of dormer windows, because they created an attic space that could be be used as an additional floor. A faux-Mansard is one created simply to sort of mimic the style and in applications such as this is very much rooted in strip malls. There is no evidence of a livable attic and there would be no need for such a space in a two story building, especially when there are two story buildings on both sides.

Party walls are the common walls between connecting buildings. They can easily be seen throughout the France Pavilion as they stick up above the roofs because they help prevent the spread of fire between buildings. The chimneys then stick up above them so that hot embers are less likely to fall on the roof and catch the building on fire.

The orphan window isn’t cheap, it is lazy and poor design. It’s there to easily try and add visual interest but lacks any sense. What is it trying to communicate? Why would there be just one window that is completely different in its size, ornament and placement from the others? Nothing else suggests something like an expansion or renovation of the building.

The whole methodology is one that is typical of poor suburban developments. It’s random bits that are sort of something historical but applied with no regard for that history.


The problem is not a lack of detail or trying to be vague. A collector head at the top of a parapet is just wrong, flat out. You don’t put a shower drain in the ceiling. There is no benefit to it being drawn wrong.

The scupper at the top of the parapet is just plain hilarious. They even took the time to draw the downspout going out and around the lower cornice. The cornice right below the gutter of the mansard roof is a nice touch as well. Which they also took the time to have the downspout routed around the cornice.

EDIT: And the quoins on the side. Just......the artist obviously does not know what they are, their purpose, or why one would use them. They are just a decorative element they believe adds authenticity, when in fact it just adds to the "fauxness" and treats the building as pastiche.

 

[eliza61nyc]

A Mansard roof has a specific purpose, the creation of additional occupied space. That is why they are typically full of dormer windows, because they created an attic space that could be be used as an additional floor. A faux-Mansard is one created simply to sort of mimic the style and in applications such as this is very much rooted in strip malls. There is no evidence of a livable attic and there would be no need for such a space in a two story building, especially when there are two story buildings on both sides.

Party walls are the common walls between connecting buildings. They can easily be seen throughout the France Pavilion as they stick up above the roofs because they help prevent the spread of fire between buildings. The chimneys then stick up above them so that hot embers are less likely to fall on the roof and catch the building on fire.

The orphan window isn’t cheap, it is lazy and poor design. It’s there to easily try and add visual interest but lacks any sense. What is it trying to communicate? Why would there be just one window that is completely different in its size, ornament and placement from the others? Nothing else suggests something like an expansion or renovation of the building.

The whole methodology is one that is typical of poor suburban developments. It’s random bits that are sort of something historical but applied with no regard for that history.


The problem is not a lack of detail or trying to be vague. A collector head at the top of a parapet is just wrong, flat out. You don’t put a shower drain in the ceiling. There is no benefit to it being drawn wrong.

Thanks @lazyboy97o it's evident that this is some thing you know about. I really never think of a window as trying to "communicate" anything. Open, shut and let in light is probably about as deep as I've ever gotten. lol, I don't think I thought this much about the first house I lived in but again I'm not into design or architecture, I do love furniture shopping.

Sorry, just not some thing I can get really outraged about it.

I love crepes so this is great news and I can't wait. will I get there and say "ugh, the building is nothing like France" we'll see. I don't think I've ever had a discussion about Disney buildings before so this just maybe a topic I can't participate in.

 

[rkleinlein]

They built 2 theme parks 26 miles outside of Paris - they should have some frame of reference

Exactly. And yet, they still give us this architectural mash-up.

So what's the explanation here? It simply defies belief that that every person on the design team doesn't know better. Or that every person in the various stages of the approval process doesn't know better. I'm not an architect and I know better.

So why? Why design it this way when it would have been just a easy to design something appropriate, i.e. something authentic with architectural integrity?

Jokes aside, it's baffling.

 

[Missing20K]

Thanks @lazyboy97o it's evident that this is some thing you know about. I really never think of a window as trying to "communicate" anything. Open, shut and let in light is probably about as deep as I've ever gotten. lol, I don't think I thought this much about the first house I lived in but again I'm not into design or architecture, I do love furniture shopping.

Sorry, just not some thing I can get really outraged about it.

I love crepes so this is great news and I can't wait. will I get there and say "ugh, the building is nothing like France" we'll see. I don't think I've ever had a discussion about Disney buildings before so this just maybe a topic I can't participate in.

You've never seen windows as a manner of communicating with the outside world and vice versa? You've never looked in or out of a window upon nature or an interior and been pleased or displeased with the view? I fear you don't give yourself enough credit for what windows accomplish beyond the utility of heat/cool/light/dark.

Outrage might be an exaggeration but I think what some of us are attempting to point out is that the small details that seem inconsequential add up to a lesser experience. It's the idea of Gestalt psychology and that the sum of the parts are greater than the whole. The je ne sais quois of a place, if you will.

And a lack of technical knowledge shouldn't preclude you from opinions, but those opinions should also take into consideration those with technical knowledge pointing out shortcomings in proposed designs.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I never had crepes before I need to try them.

I'm no expert, but - think the French equivalent of a soft flour tortilla (in function.) They are typically rolled up with either a sweet, dessert filling or a savory filling. Not generally my favorite thing unless they are more on the crispy and thin side, but I'm not a big fan of bread-type things.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I really never think of a window as trying to "communicate" anything. Open, shut and let in light is probably about as deep as I've ever gotten.

This is something more specifically related to themed entertainment, the telling of a story through a built environment. The various design elements all communicate the story being told, from the setting to the mood. These are the details that people gush about, design elements that all support the story.