DAK Why a Soarin' style attraction? Why not ... ?

[GrumpyFan]

I'm sure this has probably been discussed at some point, and I've even read numerous comments that some were displeased that they were using the same technology as they already did with Soarin'. But, I'm just curious what others would have proposed for the area? Personally, I think it would've lended well for a flying style or B&M or Arrow Wing style of coaster that went in and out around the whole area.

 

[misterID]

Because James Cameron really wanted a soarin style ride, it was his main enthusiasm about the deal. He wantethe launch coaster too, but was cut.

Isn't this kind of an armchair imagineer topic?

 

[chiefs11]

I agree.....it should have had both. I think I'd enjoy the coaster more then the new simulator, but this one does have the potential to be quite a bit better then regular ol' Soarin

eta: Although I think I might like the boat ride more then either, if it is done well!
Also, I can kind of understand why one of the coaster or simulator was cut out, as they probably would be thematically very similar: flying through the environment of Pandora.

 

[TyTrap]

Im going to make a representation of what I think this is going to look like. Be right back.

 

[doctornick]

You can do different things with a screen based attractions and I think what they want to accomplish would not be possible with something like a coaster. Plus, James Cameron is heavily involved, so it seems realistic to think he would want some sort of film based attraction to showcase whatever newest things he wants. The man loves to innovate with film.

 

[Tom]

Contrary to what many people repeat on the internet, the new E-Ticket is not "Soarin Technology". Yes, it's a similar ride system to Soarin, but only as much as Jungle Cruise and Pirates are the "same ride system", because they both have ride vehicles that float on water.

It will be an attraction where you're in a seat of some kind, suspended above the floor, in front of a large screen. But that's where the similarities stop.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Because James Cameron really wanted a soarin style ride, it was his main enthusiasm about the deal. He wantethe launch coaster too, but was cut.

Isn't this kind of an armchair imagineer topic?

I suppose the second part of my question could be an armchair imagineer topic. But, since it's Avatar-related, it just seem to fit here.

You can do different things with a screen based attractions and I think what they want to accomplish would not be possible with something like a coaster. Plus, James Cameron is heavily involved, so it seems realistic to think he would want some sort of film based attraction to showcase whatever newest things he wants. The man loves to innovate with film.

I get that "film" (digital media) can offer a lot more flexibility, and I'm not really opposed to it. I was just looking at what other ideas might have been an option.

 

[chiefs11]

Contrary to what many people repeat on the internet, the new E-Ticket is not "Soarin Technology". Yes, it's a similar ride system to Soarin, but only as much as Jungle Cruise and Pirates are the "same ride system", because they both have ride vehicles that float on water.

It will be an attraction where you're in a seat of some kind, suspended above the floor, in front of a large screen. But that's where the similarities stop.

Exactly, it should be much more advanced then Soarin. plus, I definitely see this as appropriate for Avatar, as the flight simulator can be done in 3D, which is what Avatar is most famous for....

it is going to be 3D, right??

 

[danlb_2000]

I'm sure this has probably been discussed at some point, and I've even read numerous comments that some were displeased that they were using the same technology as they already did with Soarin'. But, I'm just curious what others would have proposed for the area? Personally, I think it would've lended well for a flying style or B&M or Arrow Wing style of coaster that went in and out around the whole area.

To me one of the sequences in this movie that sticks with me the most is the first big flying scene he gets the Banshee for the first time. When I see that scene, a Soarin type ride is the first thing that comes to mind, so I think this ride system is the perfect choice for the subject matter.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Contrary to what many people repeat on the internet, the new E-Ticket is not "Soarin Technology". Yes, it's a similar ride system to Soarin, but only as much as Jungle Cruise and Pirates are the "same ride system", because they both have ride vehicles that float on water.

It will be an attraction where you're in a seat of some kind, suspended above the floor, in front of a large screen. But that's where the similarities stop.

Okay, so maybe saying it's the same technology is a misnomer. So, can we agree to call it a "flying theater" attraction using a similar ride system but more immersive, or am I going too far there?

With a comment like your second, I start to wonder about several things. I think of potential differences or improvements in the range of movements, projection, 3D, field of view, etc. In thinking along those lines though, I also start to worry about the possibility of over-stimulation for some guests and possibly being too much and causing issues like we saw with Mission:Space.

 

[kap91]

People started using "soarin 2.0" as an insult. In confident it'll be as much like soarin as back to the future was like soarin. A simulator of some type with some sort of large format image.

There aren't too many ways to Do a flying attraction, and even less to mimic the flying sequences of Avatar. And given that the movie was famous for its CG visuals and use of 3d - well it's definitely a logical type of attraction to build. Much more so than a coaster.

Assuming what we've heard is true and the fact Cameron is involved it's reasonable to suspect the image tech will be cutting edge in both use of 3d and dynamic range. I know personally that in Hollywood in general there's some truly groundbreaking stuff in development that redefines how realistic an image can look and people like Cameron have been the ones all over it. And there were rumors to this effect not too long ago.

Combine that with a much more capable ride system, and maybe some other physical elements (some have hinted at the possible use of animatronics and/or real set pieces in addition to the screen) and you can easily have a very impressive attraction that is like Soarin only in its basic principles.

 

[GrumpyFan]

People started using "soarin 2.0" as an insult. In confident it'll be as much like soarin as back to the future was like soarin. A simulator of some type with some sort of large format image.

Not sure I understand why it would be insulting. The original design and creation of the mechanism is a beauty in its simplicity and engineering and yet such an accomplishment that was greatly publicized by Disney. Like any new or 1st generation for something, there will usually be improvements in leaps and bounds, but to not refer to the original, to me, is a bit insulting to those who built it. Unless of course what's being built is nothing like the original.

I guess in the absence of a clear understanding of the new technology (system), people refer to it as the closest thing they know. So, until such time as this enhanced system makes its public debut, I guess we could just call it the "Avatar Ride system"? Somehow that just seems even more of an insult.

Just curious, Is there a name for the original system? Flying Theater mechanism or is it Soarin ride system or something else?

 

[kap91]

Not sure I understand why it would be insulting. The original design and creation of the mechanism is a beauty in its simplicity and engineering and yet such an accomplishment that was greatly publicized by Disney. Like any new or 1st generation for something, there will usually be improvements in leaps and bounds, but to not refer to the original, to me, is a bit insulting to those who built it. Unless of course what's being built is nothing like the original.

I guess in the absence of a clear understanding of the new technology (system), people refer to it as the closest thing they know. So, until such time as this enhanced system makes its public debut, I guess we could just call it the "Avatar Ride system"? Somehow that just seems even more of an insult.

Just curious, Is there a name for the original system? Flying Theater mechanism or is it Soarin ride system or something else?

It was used as an insult because people assumed (and largely still assume) that Disney cheaped out and the new ride was just going to be Soarin with a new movie. This is hardly the case but I doubt anyone will be convinced. Even after it opens.

 

[TyTrap]

just the idea of the flight simulator ride I've had in my head for a few years. Not the best art work but just to give you an idea. Riders would be acting as apart of the wings while the banshee torso is in the middle with possible animatronic capabilities.

 

[GrumpyFan]

View attachment 100636 just the idea of the flight simulator ride I've had in my head for a few years. Not the best art work but just to give you an idea. Riders would be acting as apart of the wings while the banshee torso is in the middle with possible animatronic capabilities.

Pretty cool! I like the idea of a divided carriage across a center piece that would obviously be themed to the banshee. I would assume the "wings" or the seats would move some, along with the center piece. I'm thinking a cross between a winged coaster and a "Soarin'" style structure to lift riders up as needed.

 

[dstrawn9889]

this is what it will look like... mark my words

 

[TyTrap]

Pretty cool! I like the idea of a divided carriage across a center piece that would obviously be themed to the banshee. I would assume the "wings" or the seats would move some, along with the center piece. I'm thinking a cross between a winged coaster and a "Soarin'" style structure to lift riders up as needed.

I also thought a coaster would be a great addition to avatar land. I guess Cameron decided against it. I also thought an underwater attraction would've been great too considering what the avatar sequel taking place underwater.

 

[TyTrap]

this is what it will look like... mark my words

Vekoma does custom builds dude. I'm sure Disney isn't going to cop out and just use a stock Vekoma flight simulator set up. There needs to be something different to make us believe we are riding a banshee. A plain boring Vekoma set up isn't going to help with the immersion. No disrespect but I hope you are wrong.

 

[invader]

this is what it will look like... mark my words

Similiar but.... nope

 

[kap91]

this is what it will look like... mark my words

Well the principle is right. It's not gonna look like that at all though.