Popularity of the Princesses

A1st

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Hi Everyone,

So I was thinking about how some of the Disney Princesses are more popular than others and why that is. (Ariel, Belle, and Cinderella are more popular than Pocahontas, Mulan, and Tiana)

I think I figured out why:

The reason is not because of their races, but because of their particular stories.

  • Pocahontas is denied a happy ending!
  • Mulan dresses up as a man!
  • And Tiana is a frog for more than 50% of the movie!
Who would want to be them? Why weren't they given stories like the other princesses?

Thoughts?
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Hi Everyone,

So I was thinking about how some of the Disney Princesses are more popular than others and why that is. (Ariel, Belle, and Cinderella are more popular than Pocahontas, Mulan, and Tiana)

I think I figured out why:

The reason is not because of their races, but because of their particular stories.

  • Pocahontas is denied a happy ending!
  • Mulan dresses up as a man!
  • And Tiana is a frog for more than 50% of the movie!
Who would want to be them? Why weren't they given stories like the other princesses?

Thoughts?

Because that's how the story of Mulan was told before Disney got their hands on it?
 

Thrill

Well-Known Member
Well, as Pocahontas is based on a true story, there isn't much they can do to change it

They actually stray quite a bit from the true story.

All of the others were based off of classic stories, so existing content doesn't stop Disney. The Little Mermaid's actual ending is quite unfortunate, from what I understand. Hercules (not a princess story, I know) absolutely decimates the original myth. As in, they kinda sorta left out the part where Hera is actually the villain. And, oh yeah, Hercules killed his wife and kids in a fit of rage, and then did his labors as a punishment.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
The talking tree? The character's ages? The story/facts were given plenty of "embelishments". No, they did not stay together in the end, but let's not pretend Disney didn't make any substantial changes.


Not to mention the characters' looks. The real Pocahontas apparently wasn't that good looking.

Disney is known for changing up facts or the stories of common fairytales.
 

ImagineerDude

Well-Known Member
Didn't Pocahantas bury talking fish or something lolol...I like to meet her in the parks, but the movie itself I didn't like...yet it's one of my favorite parts in World of Color (Colors of the Wind is one of my favorite Disney songs)

I LOVE Mulan as a movie, but Mulan herself is just meh to me. She looks so fake in the parks...but I love Mushu!

I actually thought Tiana was pretty popular, she never had a short line in MK when I was there.


Now I feel like I just compared everything back to the parks and not the actual movies. :mad: Anyway, my little cousin would LOVE to be Tiana, but I don't think she has even watched Mulan and I don't think she gets Pocahantas.
 

MickeyPeace

Well-Known Member
By your own logic the others shouldn't be popular either. Ariel spends most of the movie either without legs or a voice. Belle is in solitary confinement while developing Stockholm Syndrome for a beast and Cinderella is an indentured slave for most of the movie.

Try again.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
And you gauge this how?


Look at the merchandise. If grouped together, the ones included are Cinderella, Aurora, Snow White, Belle and Ariel. Rapunzel is starting to pop up thin this group as well. These six princesses are everywhere. Mulan and Pocahontas are almost never seen on merchandise. In fact, I've never seen them on anything, except when I was a kid and these films were first released. Tiana is more popular than Mulan and Pocahontas, but still not as popular as the main six. Same goes for Jasmine. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Look at the merchandise. If grouped together, the ones included are Cinderella, Aurora, Snow White, Belle and Ariel. Rapunzel is starting to pop up thin this group as well. These six princesses are everywhere. Mulan and Pocahontas are almost never seen on merchandise. In fact, I've never seen them on anything, except when I was a kid and these films were first released. Tiana is more popular than Mulan and Pocahontas, but still not as popular as the main six. Same goes for Jasmine. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Could it be that it's because that's what people bought most?

Cinderella is the classic "Disney" princess, even though Snow White was first. Aurora, though her story is far less popular modernly (I doubt many people could name Maleficent), is also very well known due to years of marketing. Both have iconic Castles at the parks (whether guests know it or not, subliminally they do).

Belle and Arial were the first two major animation princess hits to come out of the Disney Animation Studios in quite literally decades.

And with regards to Snow White (arguably the least marketable...Disney even removed her ride at MK), she was the first.

I fail to see the implied "racism" in that. The fact the Merida and Rapunzel are equally not as popular is a testament to market demand and the overwhelming social impact the movies they were in was far less, considering when they came out and the over-saturation of the american consumer base with new IP.

I'm American Indian, and I found Pocahontas (if you want to get racial) an offensive movie. Not because of the portrayal of the Indians in it, racial portrayals don't offend me...I either shrug them off or ignore them, as any adult should. What offended me was how bad a character she was. She was made out to be a super-spiritual sexy "goddess" with a limited personality in a movie with a shallow overly political plot that assumes that the audience is stupid.

My daughter is half black, and she adores Tiana. As do I. Well, not cause she's black. It's because it was the first Disney "Princess" based story in a long time where the story took precedence and the lead actress (in this case, an animation with a voice) was fully vested in a deep and meaningful story of struggle and triumph. Every visit, my kid insists we must meet Tiana. She even skipped missing Mickey this past trip, of her own choice, because of the line, but insisted we meet Tiana.

However, does that mean she wants to buy Tiana merch? Nope. She doesn't like green. She prefers pink, yellow, and blue. Guess which characters, when it comes to merchandise, are represented by those colors?

To state that "it's about racism" is just completely inane.

I'll end this with...the only people who see race...are racists.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
Could it be that it's because that's what people bought most?

Cinderella is the classic "Disney" princess, even though Snow White was first. Aurora, though her story is far less popular modernly (I doubt many people could name Maleficent), is also very well known due to years of marketing. Both have iconic Castles at the parks (whether guests know it or not, subliminally they do).

Belle and Arial were the first two major animation princess hits to come out of the Disney Animation Studios in quite literally decades.

And with regards to Snow White (arguably the least marketable...Disney even removed her ride at MK), she was the first.

I fail to see the implied "racism" in that. The fact the Merida and Rapunzel are equally not as popular is a testament to market demand and the overwhelming social impact the movies they were in was far less, considering when they came out and the over-saturation of the american consumer base with new IP.

I'm American Indian, and I found Pocahontas (if you want to get racial) an offensive movie. Not because of the portrayal of the Indians in it, racial portrayals don't offend me...I either shrug them off or ignore them, as any adult should. What offended me was how bad a character she was. She was made out to be a super-spiritual sexy "goddess" with a limited personality in a movie with a shallow overly political plot that assumes that the audience is stupid.

My daughter is half black, and she adores Tiana. As do I. Well, not cause she's black. It's because it was the first Disney "Princess" based story in a long time where the story took precedence and the lead actress (in this case, an animation with a voice) was fully vested in a deep and meaningful story of struggle and triumph. Every visit, my kid insists we must meet Tiana. She even skipped missing Mickey this past trip, of her own choice, because of the line, but insisted we meet Tiana.

However, does that mean she wants to buy Tiana merch? Nope. She doesn't like green. She prefers pink, yellow, and blue. Guess which characters, when it comes to merchandise, are represented by those colors?

To state that "it's about racism" is just completely inane.

I'll end this with...the only people who see race...are racists.

I really hope you're not implying that I'm racist. My point has nothing to do with people being racist.

I didn't say Disney was racist. I made an observation and said they mostly market the Caucasian princesses, which is absolutely true. I don't know why, but they do. I bet if they marketed the other princesses as much as they market Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, etc., they'd be more popular with guests. Have you ever thought about that? Disney doesn't even bother selling Mulan and Pocahontas costumes in the parks for the little girls. Alice is probably more popular than Mulan, Pocahontas, Jasmine and Tiana combined. They market the heck out of her, too. How can the kids be interested in the princesses if Disney barely markets them? Sure, the films and natural likes can sometimes influence interests but marketing has a big thing to do with it, too. As an African American female, I wish Tiana was as popular and loved as the others. I bet a lot of little girls don't even know who Mulan and Pocahontas are. They were even on the list for long lost friends. It's sad. You're not even denying these characters are unpopular.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
All of the unpopular princess come from different ethnic backgrounds. Disney LOVES to market all the Caucasian princesses.

Look at the merchandise. If grouped together, the ones included are Cinderella, Aurora, Snow White, Belle and Ariel. Rapunzel is starting to pop up thin this group as well. These six princesses are everywhere. Mulan and Pocahontas are almost never seen on merchandise. In fact, I've never seen them on anything, except when I was a kid and these films were first released. Tiana is more popular than Mulan and Pocahontas, but still not as popular as the main six. Same goes for Jasmine. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this.

You are the one who brought race into the conversation. So, I fall back to my initial quote, you draw your own conclusion, and I'd suggest re-evaluating your ideas.

If the first thing I see is "My god, the reason that Disney has markets Caucasian princesses in a mostly Caucasian country is because they are racist!", well, who is seeing race?

My kid isn't "African" at all. Her mother isn't either. They are wholly American. And this is an insult to every African and their country and depth of culture and life experience.

I'm very sure they marketed each Princess to an extreme, and found that people didn't buy (that's capitalism)...Where is your issue?

And Alice is a bad choice, she's not popular at all! When was the last time you saw Alice merch at the local Walmart?

To blame it on marketing is a stale argument. The fact is, the society didn't care for or latch onto those characters, or at a base level saw the marketing for what it was...marketing...
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
You are the one who brought race into the conversation. So, I fall back to my initial quote, you draw your own conclusion, and I'd suggest re-evaluating your ideas.

If the first thing I see is "My god, the reason that Disney has markets Caucasian princesses in a mostly Caucasian country is because they are racist!", well, who is seeing race?

My kid isn't "African" at all. Her mother isn't either. They are wholly American. And this is an insult to every African and their country and depth of culture and life experience.

I'm very sure they marketed each Princess to an extreme, and found that people didn't buy (that's capitalism)...Where is your issue?

And Alice is a bad choice, she's not popular at all! When was the last time you saw Alice merch at the local Walmart?

To blame it on marketing is a stale argument. The fact is, the society didn't care for or latch onto those characters, or at a base level saw the marketing for what it was...marketing...

It was an observation. That's all. It's blowing up into a race thing for no reason. All I said was Disney markets the Caucasian princess. That's it. I'm not implying that Disney is racist. Again, my point is about marketing.

Now we're getting into the whole black vs African American thing? Okay then. I consider myself black and African American. I consider myself African American because of my African ancestry. Blacks, or black Americans, if you want to say that, came from Africans and are of African ancestry. That's a fact. So to say a black American can be called an Aftican American is not far fetched. Our grandmothers or grandfathers or whoever may not be from Africa but somewhere down the line, someone was. How is that an insult? When Africans were brought to America, they kept their traditions and if you know anything about black/African American culture, you'd know that some of the traditions are seen today in America. The term exists for a reason. We can't be American and Agrican American at the same time? Just because our African bloodline isn't "recent"?

Who said I had an issue?

Alice is not a bad choice, she's everywhere, where I live. Even in Walmart. I just bought my mom an Alice-themed tea set for Mother's Day.

I don't think it's a stale argument at all. I think saying it's simply because they're not liked and unpopular is more of a weak argument. If Disney started putting Mulan's face on some t-shirts, I can bet she'd become more popular.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
It was an observation. That's all. It's blowing up into a race thing for no reason. All I said was Disney markets the Caucasian princess. That's it. I'm not implying that Disney is racist. Again, my point is about marketing.

Now we're getting into the whole black vs African American thing? Okay then. I consider myself black and African American. I consider myself African American because of my African ancestry. Blacks, or black Americans, if you want to say that, came from Africans and are of African ancestry. That's a fact. So to say a black American can be called an Aftican American is not far fetched. Our grandmothers or grandfathers or whoever may not be from Africa but somewhere down the line, someone was. How is that an insult? When Africans were brought to America, they kept their traditions and if you know anything about black/African American culture, you'd know that some of the traditions are seen today in America. The term exists for a reason. We can't be American and Agrican American at the same time? Just because our African bloodline isn't "recent"?

Who said I had an issue?

Alice is not a bad choice, she's everywhere, where I live. Even in Walmart. I just bought my mom an Alice-themed tea set for Mother's Day.

I don't think it's a stale argument at all. I think saying it's simply because they're not liked and unpopular is more of a weak argument. If Disney started putting Mulan's face on some t-shirts, I can bet she'd become more popular.

I merely quote your posts.
 

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