New Muppet-Vision Preshow Incoming?

doctornick

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Walt bought the rights to stories and then adapted them to film.

You mean the way that Disney as bought the rights to stories (Marvel comics) and then adapted them to film (Marvel Studios)? What's the difference? The Iron Man origin story presented in the first movie was an adaptation of an existing story just like Peter Pan and Mary Poppins.

Heck, wasn't The Lion Kin the first ever Disney film not based on a previous existing story? Disney has been acquiring and adapting properties their entire existence.
 

Thrill Seeker

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Original Poster
You mean the way that Disney as bought the rights to stories (Marvel comics) and then adapted them to film (Marvel Studios)? What's the difference? The Iron Man origin story presented in the first movie was an adaptation of an existing story just like Peter Pan and Mary Poppins.

Heck, wasn't The Lion King the first ever Disney film not based on a previous existing story? Disney has been acquiring and adapting properties their entire existence.

Although, Lion King is inspired by Hamlet...
 

mitchk

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That's debatable, as mentioned it has heavy influence from Hamlet and it also seems to incorporate (steal?) many elements from Kimba The White Lion.



Yea we all know Disney likes to ... borrow ideas. The most recent has to be Johnny 5 ... I mean Wall-E. I really enjoyed the movie, but o_O
 

the-reason14

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Oh let's not come for the Lion King now which is perhaps one of the greatest animated Disney movies ever. if not greatest animated movie ever. It has a lot of elements of Hamlet in it, which makes it that much more epic and deeper then the average animated movie.
 

doctornick

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Regardless of how original The Lion King is, my point stands: most properties that are "Disney" are adaptations of earlier works. It's pretty arbitrary to make a distinction between classic Disney films as somehow pure original creations while saying the likes of the Muppets and Marvel "aren't Disney" even though it's the same concept of buying the rights to intellectual property and adapting it by the company.
 

Genie of the Lamp

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I would be alright if they added a interactive enchanted art screen like the ones on the Fantasy that included Walter by having guests waiting in line look for certain things in the main waiting room(like a mini scavenger hunt I guess) while the pre show video is being played that way kids can be active and not just stand and watch the movie while the rest of us witness the classic work provided by the man himself Jim Henson. Other than that, don't screw over avid fans of the Muppets and this attraction TDO YA HEAR!!
 

CaptainShortty

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So I will admit I didn't read much of the thread but I have a feeling the interactive elements are part of the MyMagic+ enhancement package. I heard a rumor that parts of the park will be able to interact with guests via the RFID in the MagicBands.
 

Magenta Panther

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You mean the way that Disney as bought the rights to stories (Marvel comics) and then adapted them to film (Marvel Studios)? What's the difference? The Iron Man origin story presented in the first movie was an adaptation of an existing story just like Peter Pan and Mary Poppins.

The difference is that Marvel's characters have already had films, tv shows and other ancillary stuff made out of them. Where's the creativity in bringing to life something that's already been brought to life, countless times?
 

HM GhostHostess

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You mean the way that Disney as bought the rights to stories (Marvel comics) and then adapted them to film (Marvel Studios)? What's the difference? The Iron Man origin story presented in the first movie was an adaptation of an existing story just like Peter Pan and Mary Poppins.

Heck, wasn't The Lion Kin the first ever Disney film not based on a previous existing story? Disney has been acquiring and adapting properties their entire existence.

Actually, the first Disney film to not be based on a pre-existing story was Fantasia, which premiered in 1940.
 

Tigger1988

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Using that logic Walt wasn't creative in bringing to life Snow White and other stories, since they had been done numerous times in film, stage and even cartoons before Disney versions were released.
 

doctornick

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Using that logic Walt wasn't creative in bringing to life Snow White and other stories, since they had been done numerous times in film, stage and even cartoons before Disney versions were released.

Exactly, it's not like Peter Pan, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, etc. didn't have adaptations before Disney's. They've all been "brought to life, countless times".
 

SirLink

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Exactly, it's not like Peter Pan, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, etc. didn't have adaptations before Disney's. They've all been "brought to life, countless times".

Peter Pan in terms of use of the characters goes through Great Ormond Street Hospital as they were left it by the author, but the rest your correct and the funny thing with Snow White and Sleeping Beauty based on he originals they are the same story, Snow White is the German version of Sleeping Beauty is French(original fiction had 7 fairies), but well ....
 

Magenta Panther

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It's both amazing and amusing to me that there are people chatting on a Disney board who seem to love to diminish Walt's accomplishments as a way to justify the actions of a cement-headed CEO. Yeah, you guys are right - what Walt did with Snow White and Pinocchio and Bambi weren't anything much. And what Robert Iger has done - bought Marvel and Muppets and Star Wars - is exactly what Walt did when he bought the rights to Mary Poppins and so on. No difference whatsoever. Yeesh!

Sure, other people made adaptations of some of the stories Walt later developed for film. But were any of those memorable? Have any of them stood the test of time? The definitive versions of those properties were created by Walt and his artists, and those versions have remained popular because they were done so well. Iron Man, Kermit and all that stuff have already been fully developed by other people; Disney played no part in their creation or adaptation. The difference between what Walt did with Pinocchio and what Iger did by buying Marvel is the difference between creating a sculpture and merely buying one. It's the difference between acquisition and artistry. And that difference used to make ALL the difference when it came to Disney, before it stopped being a creative mecca and became a storehouse for various cast-off "brands". Sad, sad, sad...
 

Turtle

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Heck, wasn't The Lion Kin the first ever Disney film not based on a previous existing story? Disney has been acquiring and adapting properties their entire existence.
lion king was an original, but it wasn't the first. I believe 101 Dalmations was the first
 

Turtle

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The difference is that Marvel's characters have already had films, tv shows and other ancillary stuff made out of them. Where's the creativity in bringing to life something that's already been brought to life, countless times?
Snow White was in film before the animated version
 

SirLink

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It's both amazing and amusing to me that there are people chatting on a Disney board who seem to love to diminish Walt's accomplishments as a way to justify the actions of a cement-headed CEO. Yeah, you guys are right - what Walt did with Snow White and Pinocchio and Bambi weren't anything much. And what Robert Iger has done - bought Marvel and Muppets and Star Wars - is exactly what Walt did when he bought the rights to Mary Poppins and so on. No difference whatsoever. Yeesh!

Sure, other people made adaptations of some of the stories Walt later developed for film. But were any of those memorable? Have any of them stood the test of time? The definitive versions of those properties were created by Walt and his artists, and those versions have remained popular because they were done so well. Iron Man, Kermit and all that stuff have already been fully developed by other people; Disney played no part in their creation or adaptation. The difference between what Walt did with Pinocchio and what Iger did by buying Marvel is the difference between creating a sculpture and merely buying one. It's the difference between acquisition and artistry. And that difference used to make ALL the difference when it came to Disney, before it stopped being a creative mecca and became a storehouse for various cast-off "brands". Sad, sad, sad...

Actually it was Eisner who bought The Muppets ... Iger killed the revival when he stepped in the door, actually TWDC is better at buying franchises of cherished characters and letting them be as what the fans want - than what Walt did.

A great artist can admit that his rival is better than himself at drawing and wanting to own a piece of his work. A poor artist can't admit that his rival is better and wants to destroy their rival's work.
 

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