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Why the Monorail Won't be Expanded

luv

luv

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Jonathan Velez said:
You do realize that under Florida law, WDW is to have it's own "governing body" must make it's own water and electricity. It's under the Reedy Creek Improvement District. I liv in Disney property something called the Golden Oaks. I pay my bills to Reedy Creek and there something like 30 dollars cheaper than OUC and Progress Energy. They have better purchasing power as of such thats why the HESS inside WDW are about 3 dollars cheaper than th 5-7 dollars a gallon that around the Resort's outskirts.
With thats stated, yes it is very unlikely that anytime soon we see Warning: Monorail Counstruction when visiting the parks. But the rumors of the Disney Transit being upgraded for the buses will become a reality pretty soon. They are at least 10 years old and are possibly going to be updated pretty soon as seen in a recent report done by the Daily Disney on the Orlando Sentinel.
I agree with Raphlaw I love monrails they are cool but lets face it in 1970's dollars the monorail cost 1 million dollars per mile of track not to mention the veihchle it's self. I don't think it will affect anyone wanting to purchase more just because of a monorail. It's still easy to get to the parks from DTD. You just hop on the resort buses and wait for the Parks Bus. But on a regular day if all of the sudden the monorail shuts down it's a mess. You can wait anywhere from 30-45 minutes to get on the bus to go from point A to point B. On a busy day sure they will have more employees and more buses but if all of the sudden the grid fails it's pretty bad. It be a bad picture. I agree with everyone who has added their contributes. But we have to be realistic. Corparate att his point has spent way to much with two major park overhauls. 1 new theme park and 2 new cruise ships. Thats alot of money in total the amount is something like 10 billion dollars spent. Disney Co. makes 80 billion a year. Yeah corporate is right now thinking strongly why did they just spend so much in such small amount of time.
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I admit that I don't spend a great deal of time reading the Sentinel. If I make it through the WSJ, it is some sort of miracle. The Ssentinel would come after that, lol. But I think "The Daily Disney" is an online thing and not actually in the paper each day. I could be wrong.

Also, aside from the Shell station over by the Mariotts by WDW, most gas stations are not over-charging for gas. Disney gas prices are similar to those off the Disney property. They aren't gauging the people on the Disney property, but they aren't charging less than others, either. No bargains buying gas at WDW. I am sure once you leave the Disney property and buy some gas elsewhere you will see this...assuming you leave the WDW property.

Your parents do take you off the disney property occasionally, correct?
 
Phonedave

Phonedave

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the.dreamfinder said:
I find that so fascinating. It's a super sprawled out resort. I would take a trolley system is a semi-lock for Saratoga Springs?
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Like the train that was at the Campgrounds.

Some sort of internal low volume/high frequency system inside of SSR would be a bonus that I would not mind covering with my dues. Assuming of course that if such a thing was implimented, there would be less bus stops, and therefore less payments to WDW Transportation.

One thing to remember though is that SSR is a 100% DVC resort. To add such an item would require a capital outlay. There has been no provision in member dues for such an additional capital improvement. Before such a project was undertaken, I would think that member dues would show a line item for "internal trolley" or something similar.



-dave
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Phonedave said:
One thing to remember though is that SSR is a 100% DVC resort. To add such an item would require a capital outlay. There has been no provision in member dues for such an additional capital improvement. Before such a project was undertaken, I would think that member dues would show a line item for "internal trolley" or something similar.
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Keep in mind we don't know how far along the planning for this is.
 
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thomas998

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Could the answer be even more simple than cost or dependability... could it be that it was done in the first place as a gimmick, something to make WDW standout from the other parks of the day... It did work for that, but today there is no need to use a gimmick to get people talking about WDW because it is a known entity, I would expect if they built a new Disney park in some place like Latin America it could have something like a monorail if for no other reason than it would generate buzz.
 
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Ralphlaw

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thomas998 said:
Could the answer be even more simple than cost or dependability... could it be that it was done in the first place as a gimmick, something to make WDW standout from the other parks of the day... It did work for that, but today there is no need to use a gimmick to get people talking about WDW because it is a known entity, I would expect if they built a new Disney park in some place like Latin America it could have something like a monorail if for no other reason than it would generate buzz.
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I agree, the WOW! for a monorail just isn't there anymore, and they don't need a gimmick for the buzz that it'd create. That's especially true of a hugely expensive gimmick.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Ralphlaw said:
I agree, the WOW! for a monorail just isn't there anymore, and they don't need a gimmick for the buzz that it'd create. That's especially true of a hugely expensive gimmick.
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I agree with that statement, but would like to add that the Monorail, more so at WDW then DL, has become Iconic. Like the Castle or SSE or the Tree of Life or whatever the devil they are using for DHS this week. Not having that would leave a huge gap that couldn't be easily filled. As far as going to other places in the resort, I don't think there is any necessity to do so. Would be nice, but realistically it ain't gonna happen. The monorail does have a lot of built in "concerns". For example, what happens if it breaks down when you are on that high point right after it leaves the Contemporary headed towards MK. I'll tell you what happens will be a much bigger thrill ride then anyone anticipated. :eek:
 
Marco226

Marco226

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Perhaps one reason the monorail hasn't been expanded was to justify the high cost of staying at the Contemporary, Grand Floridian, and Polynesian resorts.

*cue music* Dum dum DUUUuuuummmmm!
 
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Ralphlaw

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True. We've stayed at Poly and Contemp and Baylake in part because of the monrail. But a problem with that theory is that adding the monorail to any other resort would allow Disney to charge larger room rates there as well. Drop a monorail line to Pop Century, and suddenly their room rates would be jacked up. Such an expansion certainly wouldn't bring down the rates at Poly or anywhere else. Interesting thought though.
 
Phonedave

Phonedave

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the.dreamfinder said:
Keep in mind we don't know how far along the planning for this is.
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But we know it is not in the end stages. For such a large amount of infrastructure to be put in place, it would have to be approved as a capital project by the SSR DVC board and funded by member dues. There has been no mention of this to SSR members.

In the world of Disney, if they wanted to build a trolley system at say, CBR, they would fund their initial study from whatever sort of funding they have for such feasability studies. They would do a cost / benefit analysis. pitch the project to the powers that be, acquire corporate funding, and then move foward with the project, all of this would be "secret" and not announced to the public until the project was approved.

DVC works differently because the members are owners of the resort. If ANY money were spent on even planning such a project, the members would be notified via disclosure. There has been no such notification.

Now, that is not to say that WDI or CRO is not looking at such a project (and funding the feasability study) and then at a later date it may be "thrown over the wall" to DVC. But at this point nothing has originated out of DVC SSR (or nothing costing any money at least)

-dave
 

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