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[AvengersWDW]

Disney is more then animated movies. My post you quoted was in direct reference to the parks.

Go ahead, rant away.

True....but the reverse is true too...Disney is more than just the Parks too

 

[HMButler79]

That was your idol Eisner who made those decisions

I'm not denying it. But I blame Weiss and Pressler during these times more because, even with these horrendous changes, Eisner still knew how to cross promote the animated films in the parks. It was after 1999 that everything went off the rails with Pressler as head of P&R. Oh yes I forgot, the underated classic Emperors New Groove is better than Shrek 5 ANYDAY.

 

[AvengersWDW]

Rottentomatoes is a website that gives a percentage approval of all the movies out there...Tangled rates higher than all the movies that Butler thinks are better

 

[alissafalco]

I'm very entertained by your back and forth comments :ROFLOL: :ROFLOL:
Thanks for a good a laugh from both point of views, I need that :sohappy:

 

[AvengersWDW]

Tangled=90%
Hunchback=73%
Tarzan=88%
Emperors=85%
Atlantis=49%

Now which movie is the best? Lol

 

[disney fan 13]

Yeah, that's why everyone wants the Pocohantas scene removed from Fantasmic.

Tangled is one of the most popular Disney films in recent history. You can't deny that.

Yup, best animated DISNEY (not Pixar) thing to come out since lion king.

 

[AvengersWDW]

I am waiting for John Carter. It looks pretty good and the website IGN gave it a glowing review

 

[AvengersWDW]

Yup, best animated DISNEY (not Pixar) thing to come out since lion king.

But Tangled is just Shrek 5?

 

[HMButler79]

Tangled=90%
Hunchback=73%
Tarzan=88%
Emperors=85%
Atlantis=49%

Now which movie is the best? Lol

And I'm sure people love Transformers and Fast and Furious movies more than say a Potter movie or Hugo or the Artist. Dosen't mean they are better. Breaking out Rottentomatoes ratings?? REALLY?? Queen Meg and The Weatherman expect better of you Avenger! You dissapoint them!

 

[disney fan 13]

Unlike you i know the company started out with MOVIES and not theme parks...but you seem to think that the parks are the only things that matter

To be fair this is a theme park site so most of us would rule WDW and DL to be most important in TWDC. (though it's not a big money maker...)

I guess i will go report to Iger that he has done nothing good at all....he is just an evil man.

Then tell him to get Eisner on the line cause he is stepping down and he wants Eisner to refill the position...

 

[misterID]

I KNOW he was personally invested. But I disagree. I do think it usually is a good thing and certainly was in Michael's first 10-15 years with the company ... before Frank died, Jeffrey left and Roy became only interested with animation but moreso how much money he was making.

Ego isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Iger has an ego as large or larger as Michael's.

I don't think Michael gets too much credit at all. Most of what the fanbois love so much about WDW happened because of him. I do agree that Frank doesn't get nearly enough credit. ... ALthough I don't think the Walt/Roy-Michael/Frank comparison works at all. It just wasn't how the company was run between 1984-1994.

~And now we're stuck with Bob ... but maybe not quite as long as we think!~

Isn't Iger Eisner's guy?

And no one gives enough credit to Katzenberg, IMO. Look at the time frame of when these people died, left and when the last of their projects came to fruition and then Eisner having control. It says a lot.

 

[HMButler79]

I guess i will go report to Iger that he has done nothing good at all....he is just an evil man.

Killed P.I., let Meg run wild at WDW, talking Walt OUT of Walt Disney Pictures. Saying the "baggage of tradition holds us back". Glad you see my point. (Hardly). When do you release a picture of Walt and Bob shaking hands.....???

 

[wm49rs]

Maybe because people like me and others, realize and know the parks are the ULTIMATE manifestations of Walt's dreams and thoughts. Walt didn't even care about the Studio toward the end. From 1960-1969 there were only THREE Feature Animated films released. Nice try with the history lesson.

Right, because he had turned to both television and live-action films during that period. And all caps doesn't really make your statements any more valid; at least not here.

 

[HMButler79]

Isn't Iger Eisner's guy?

And no one gives enough credit to Katzenberg, IMO. Look at the time frame of when these people died, left and when the last of their projects came to fruition and then Eisner having control. It says a lot.

Eisner contiunally bashed Iger and made him look bad. He even said he could NOT see Iger running the Company and that he COUDLN'T. Eisner only picked Iger because he had NO choice after SaveDisney. yes, Katz was the brains behind the TALENT during the Second Golden Age, but I feel he never really understood the actual process. The man took his own scissors to The Black Cauldron which even caused Eisner to tell him to chill out......

 

[WDW1974]

UGH!!! ... You go get some work done and take a nice jog and come back to ... a mess.

While I really enjoyed the Dynasty reference (what self-respecting fanboi wouldn't?), I see this thread getting totally out of control and there's too much interesting discussion.
I don't even know where the sane posts are to deal with ...

~HELP!~

 

[WDW1974]

Isn't Iger Eisner's guy?

And no one gives enough credit to Katzenberg, IMO. Look at the time frame of when these people died, left and when the last of their projects came to fruition and then Eisner having control. It says a lot.

Iger is (and more importantly) is not Eisner's guy. Michael never thought much of Bob ... remember he didn't bring him to the company, the takeover of ABC/Cap Cities did. When Eisner was feeling the heat and knew he was going to have to leave, the Board wanted an inside guy and they felt Bob was a safe choice.

Jeffrey, who is one of the nastiest, most stuck-up execs I ever met at Disney, gets plenty of credit (much of it that should go to Roy and the animation department itself).

But the idea that it was all bad after Frank died just isn't the case ... and the same with animation ... a lot of fanbois make it seem that animation died at Disney after the Lion King, which is total bull (expletive deleted). The Lion King set a high watermark at the BO. But plenty of wonderful AND successful films came out after that. As a matter of fact, the first bomb (and it still made some money) would have been Dinosaur in 2000. Films like Hunchback, Mulan and Tarzan were all hits ...

 

[AvengersWDW]

Isn't Iger Eisner's guy?

And no one gives enough credit to Katzenberg, IMO. Look at the time frame of when these people died, left and when the last of their projects came to fruition and then Eisner having control. It says a lot.

Katzenberg really does not get enough credit. If you have ever watched "Waking Sleeping Beauty" it shows how much he really did to help the company

 

[AvengersWDW]

Iger is (and more importantly) is not Eisner's guy. Michael never thought much of Bob ... remember he didn't bring him to the company, the takeover of ABC/Cap Cities did. When Eisner was feeling the heat and knew he was going to have to leave, the Board wanted an inside guy and they felt Bob was a safe choice.

Jeffrey, who is one of the nastiest, most stuck-up execs I ever met at Disney, gets plenty of credit (much of it that should go to Roy and the animation department itself).

But the idea that it was all bad after Frank died just isn't the case ... and the same with animation ... a lot of fanbois make it seem that animation died at Disney after the Lion King, which is total bull (expletive deleted). The Lion King set a high watermark at the BO. But plenty of wonderful AND successful films came out after that. As a matter of fact, the first bomb (and it still made some money) would have been Dinosaur in 2000. Films like Hunchback, Mulan and Tarzan were all hits ...

Financial or critical? Because some would say that time between Lion King and say Meet the Robinsons was the lowpoint of Disney Animation. The time when Eisner had he iron grip and forcing direct to video sequels down the throats of everyone

 

[CountryBearFan]

Since when has TWDC cared about quality?

Always!

 

[misterID]

Iger is (and more importantly) is not Eisner's guy. Michael never thought much of Bob ... remember he didn't bring him to the company, the takeover of ABC/Cap Cities did. When Eisner was feeling the heat and knew he was going to have to leave, the Board wanted an inside guy and they felt Bob was a safe choice.

Jeffrey, who is one of the nastiest, most stuck-up execs I ever met at Disney, gets plenty of credit (much of it that should go to Roy and the animation department itself).

But the idea that it was all bad after Frank died just isn't the case ... and the same with animation ... a lot of fanbois make it seem that animation died at Disney after the Lion King, which is total bull (expletive deleted). The Lion King set a high watermark at the BO. But plenty of wonderful AND successful films came out after that. As a matter of fact, the first bomb (and it still made some money) would have been Dinosaur in 2000. Films like Hunchback, Mulan and Tarzan were all hits ...

It's hard to take Eisner seriously at that point (at least from my own personal knowledge of him) and he would have tried to throw anyone under the bus. I don't think Iger was a step up in the least; I'll give Michael credit there.

I will say there's no doubt he loved the Disney company, perhaps it was his heart attack that changed him. But some of the shady stuff he as doing (that I know of) in the early 90's and before the heart attack could have really hurt Disney. There's some inside stuff as to why people didn't trust Eisner, feared him and targeted him that goes way, way, way beyond Roy or anyone else having an ego. Roy saved that company as far as I'm concerned, both bringing Eisner in and helping getting him out.

I agree about Katz. A world class jerk :lol:

But again, these were the personalities that meshed. And, again imho, Frank was the stone that held it all together.

I'm not a fanboi, but once the projects that Frank was part of (well after he died) were complete, and Eisner was left alone, I don't see a whole lot of positives with him.