New Villains Attraction Rumor?

[Rescue Ranger]

The rumor started here, in an interview from the voice actor who performs Jafar (3rd paragraph down):


http://www.seattleweekly.com/2011-07-06/arts/villainy-for-the-long-haul/


I hope this does happen, I feel this is soooo long OVERDUE and would be an awesome addition to the parks. Something similar to the Spider-Man ride at universal, where the Villains come after you would be cool. I'm ready to line up now!!!

 

[erasure fan1]

I agree, it would be very cool. If it was to be anytime soon I think D23 would have shed some light on it or at least made a hint. Anything major they want to do in any of the parks is fine by me. They all need a new major attraction so this would be a great start.

 

[JustInTime]

There is a thread about this somewhere...but I am starting to wonder how long it is going to be until something new is announced. Aint looking too bright.

 

[invader]

Sorcerer's of the Magic Kingdom as so called by "Raven,", already a thread about it in "News & Rumors"

Edit;

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=784691
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=774524

 

[Disday]

Reread the article and notice how he says "Disney park attraction" as opposed to a ride for a theme park.

 

[elcanatureboy]

Anything with the villains would liven up the Magic Kingdom a little bit more. Something will have to even out all the exuberance of the princesses.

 

[lebeau]

Anything with the villains would liven up the Magic Kingdom a little bit more. Something will have to even out all the exuberance of the princesses.

I'd be surprised to see the villains have a permanent presence in the MK. Remember the complaints for Alien Encounter? Or even Snow White's
Scary Adventure. Heck, the villain-themed breakfast was shut down pretty quickly because kids just don't like the villains.

But I picked this comment to respond to because it furthers a misconception about the presence of princesses in Disney World. As it stands right now, they have two expensive (and hard to book) character meals, an expensive make-over, one collective meet and greet, a smattering of individual meet and greets, a couple of stage shows and one attraction which is about to be torn down and is generally considered too scary for its intended audience.

Considering how many princess fans are out there, it's really shocking how small of a presence the princess currently have in the parks. The Fantasyland expansion is correcting that oversight.

But even when it's completed, they aren't adding that much more in the way of princesses. Snow White gets swapped out for The Little Mermaid. The M&Gs shuffle around to more permanent location. The Mine Train Coaster, from my understanding will focus heavily on the Dwarfs with Snow White making a cameo. And we'll get the Beauty and the Beast area which focuses on the Beast, Gaston and Lumiere as much as it does Belle.

(This next paragraph gets ranty. Apologies in advance.)

I really don't understand where people get this (crazy) idea that there is too much princess stuff in the parks. :shrug: Please, point it out to me so I can take my daughters. I must be missing tons of the stuff from the way people around her b&m about it ruining their male fantasies.

 

[gnuts0306]

Im sooooo excited to be going to WDW this year for MNSSHP because we will get to see the villains.....i would LOVE to see them in the parks on a regular basis!!!

 

[Random Vids Inc]

When the princesses get evicted from Main Street I wouldn't mind seeing the villians take their place! Or maybe turn that loss of a themed store at DHS into a villian meet and greet.

 

[Krack]

(This next paragraph gets ranty. Apologies in advance.)

I really don't understand where people get this (crazy) idea that there is too much princess stuff in the parks. :shrug: Please, point it out to me so I can take my daughters. I must be missing tons of the stuff from the way people around her b&m about it ruining their male fantasies.

There isn't an ounce of WDW marketing anymore that doesn't feature Dumbo and/or the Princesses. And fifty percent of the generic merchandise feature one or all of the princesses. It has taken on the appearance of being force-fed. That's why many rebel against the concept.

 

[lebeau]

There isn't an ounce of WDW marketing anymore that doesn't feature Dumbo and/or the Princesses. And fifty percent of the generic merchandise feature one or all of the princesses. It has taken on the appearance of being force-fed. That's why many rebel against the concept.

I agree they are in the marketing and merchandise disproportionate to their presence in the parks. But that is because princesses equal $$$. That is why their presence in the parks is being expanded.

I just don't get complaining about the marketing and merch. You don't want to buy princess stuff, don't buy it. And who really cares how Disney markets the parks? It doesn't actually impact your experience at all.

When you get past all the promotional material that shows Cinderella hugging a little girl in front of the castle and the shelves of cheap princess trinkets that Disney is making money on, there's really not a lot there. Not enough to justify all the snide "all the princesses" comments people make around here anyway.

 

[NewfieFan]

I don't think you'll ever see a "Villans" attraction in the MK! Maybe DHS... but not MK!

Personally, I think they need to focus on a few more family-friendly rides first. They're on the right track with The Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (even if it has a height requirement it should be a fairly low one - ex. Barnstormer). DHS needs one ASAP to take the weight of TSMM! And AK could use one as well... there is not a lot for kids to do there outside of the animal exhibits!

 

[lebeau]

I don't think you'll ever see a "Villans" attraction in the MK! Maybe DHS... but not MK!

Personally, I think they need to focus on a few more family-friendly rides first. They're on the right track with The Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (even if it has a height requirement it should be a fairly low one - ex. Barnstormer). DHS needs one ASAP to take the weight of TSMM! And AK could use one as well... there is not a lot for kids to do there outside of the animal exhibits!

:sohappy:

Every word of this post is correct.

 

[Krack]

I just don't get complaining about the marketing and merch. You don't want to buy princess stuff, don't buy it. And who really cares how Disney markets the parks? It doesn't actually impact your experience at all.

I find it has impacted my experience quite a bit. First of all, the merchandise used to be part of the immersive experience in many areas. You used to get unique items and only in one spot in MK; shopping itself was an adventure. The merchandise shift has destroyed the immersion in one whole land (Main Street) and weakened the others. Second, the marketing has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They've spent close to 20 years now saying "WDW is only for pre-teens; if you're not in the Dumbo-demographic, this place is not for you." And because of this marketing, this is the demographic they get ... who in turn, request more pre-teen attractions, experiences (M&Gs, removal of AE, characters all over Epcot, loss of educational focus in Epcot, cartoons outside of Fantasyland, every meal is a character meal, same crap merchandise in every store because kids are content with crap) ... and get it. My experience has been negatively impacted (to the point where I now go to Anaheim).

 

[SleepingMonk]

... Please, point it out to me so I can take my daughters...

Maybe you would feel differently if you had sons?

 

[lebeau]

I find it has impacted my experience quite a bit. First of all, the merchandise used to be part of the immersive experience in many areas. You used to get unique items and only in one spot in MK; shopping itself was an adventure. The merchandise shift has destroyed the immersion in one whole land (Main Street) and weakened the others. Second, the marketing has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They've spent close to 20 years now saying "WDW is only for pre-teens; if you're not in the Dumbo-demographic, this place is not for you." And because of this marketing, this is the demographic they get ... who in turn, request more pre-teen attractions, experiences (M&Gs, removal of AE, characters all over Epcot, loss of educational focus in Epcot, cartoons outside of Fantasyland, every meal is a character meal, same crap merchandise in every store because kids are content with crap) ... and get it. My experience has been negatively impacted (to the point where I now go to Anaheim).

The problem with the merch is bigger than princesses. Princess merch sells, they are going to keep selling it. Simple as that. Getting worked up about it is counter productive.

I've seen your argument about the marketing before. You ignore a lot of things that don't fit your case. (Not that long ago, Mission: Space was all over the WDW TV commericals.) Yes, they target families with kids. They'd be foolish not to. It's where they get the best bang for their advertising buck.

Your WDW experience may have been negatively impacted by decisions Disney has made. But it's got nothing to do with princesses. You'd have to make a brilliant case to convince me otherwise.

In the meanwhile, let Disney make some money by appealing to a sizeable portion of its demographic. They will build something else more to your liking later. WDW is practically a monument to male fantasies.

Maybe you would feel differently if you had sons?

Maybe. Maybe you'd feel differently with daughters?

I'm pointing to something that is objective, not subjective. Point me to all this princess stuff every one is talking about. I want to know, where is it? I keep looking and I can't find much.

The "princess bashers" make it seem like there are princesses everywhere you turn. But there aren't. You almost have to go out of your way (and usually spend big bucks) to find them.

 

[Krack]

The problem with the merch is bigger than princesses. Princess merch sells, they are going to keep selling it. Simple as that. Getting worked up about it is counter productive.

I've seen your argument about the marketing before. You ignore a lot of things that don't fit your case. (Not that long ago, Mission: Space was all over the WDW TV commericals.) Yes, they target families with kids. They'd be foolish not to. It's where they get the best bang for their advertising buck.

Your WDW experience may have been negatively impacted by decisions Disney has made. But it's got nothing to do with princesses. You'd have to make a brilliant case to convince me otherwise.

In the meanwhile, let Disney make some money by appealing to a sizeable portion of its demographic. They will build something else more to your liking later. WDW is practically a monument to male fantasies.

I love how you asked how Princesses were having a negative effect on people's experience ... I answered you (by pointing out merchandise and marketing) ... and you responded by first acknowledging Princess crap makes up a disproportionate amount of merchandise, then telling me to just "not get worked up over it" (I didn't know answering your question was "getting worked up over it", but I digress ...), then acknowledging that, yes, my "WDW experience may have have been negatively impacted", and then just saying (paraphrase) "oh well, maybe they'll eventually build something that isn't for pre-teens that you'll like because they are making tons of money on the Princess stuff"*

But somehow, in the middle, you said you're not convinced that my experience has been negatively impacted by the Princess merchandise and marketing that you just acknowledge disproportionately exists. Oh well, you're not convinced. I'm lying.

As an aside, my two biggest complaints with the Princesses (and stuff like Pixie Hollow) is that M&Gs are now being used as excuses to not build actual attractions (rides, shows). Are M&Gs only Princesses? No, of course not. But this shift in how the M&Gs are handled and approached went hand in hand with the management's "let's just push the princesses and forget about everything else" marketing.

*That doesn't exist according to you.

 

[plaz10]

I personally would love to see some more villains in the parks. I don't care where at, which park, how big or small - I want some villain love!

But I don't really see it happening...they wont even have villains in the parade...the "villains in vogue" is more of "vinylmation and the nightmare before christmas and pirates in vogue" I just don't think it will happen.

I'd LOVE for it to happen but I'm very doubtful it ever will come to anything.

 

[lebeau]

But somehow, in the middle, you said you're not convinced that my experience has been negatively impacted by the Princess merchandise and marketing that you just acknowledge disproportionately exists. Oh well, you're not convinced. I'm lying.

I'm not saying you're lying. I'm saying that you are taking decisions Disney has made that you don't like and conveniently blaming the princess franchise for it. But the princesses didn't cause merch to go downhill or for meet and greets to replace rides.

And you are completely overstating the case regarding the marketing. But I have seen you do that on several previous threads, so there's no point rehashing that one.

What I asked for is where all this princess stuff is? You're answer did not include a single ride or attraction. Just marketing campaigns and souvnirs. That's really what you're upset about? :brick:

If you let the TV commercials and trinkets (that you don't have to buy) ruin your park experience, I think you're something of an outlier. Anyone else have any examples of the princesses running rampant in the parks that might include an attraction or two?

 

[Captain Chaos]

As a someone who doesn't have any children, I can say the princess marketing doesn't really affect me or bother me... The commercials run in my neck of the woods show families enjoying WDW... kids with smiles on their faces meeting Cinderella, Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Donald, Goofy, Chip, Dale, Pluto... The commericals show the smiles on the faces of the parents and grandparents...

When I visit the parks, sure, I get turned off by the princess merchandise thrown in my face every 5 steps... But there are plenty of spots in merchandise stores where princess merchandise is not sold... I think th ebiggest complaint should be the generic garbage Disney sells, not the amount of princess items being sold... As lebeau said, ignore it and move on... I enjoy 99% of what Disney World offers me... I cannot say princess merchandise or marketing has affected me in any negative way...

As for a villains ride, I'd welcome one with open arms... But not holding out any hope for one...