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Is Animal Kingdom's Biggest Problem the Safari Itself?

Is DAK's biggest issue the safari itself?

  • DAK would seem to have more attractions if the animals were BOTH on the safari and spread out.

    Votes: 8 5.3%
  • I don't really care about the animal exhibits anyway, and I'm fine with just the safari.

    Votes: 18 11.9%
  • DAK needs more animal exhibits and rides.

    Votes: 50 33.1%
  • Just give me Beastly Kingdomme.

    Votes: 47 31.1%
  • Everything is fine as it is.

    Votes: 28 18.5%

  • Total voters
    151

tirian

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
This is based on comments in this thread: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=4446328#post4446328

Many Disney guests complain that Animal Kingdom doesn't have enough to do. They see it only as a handful of rides—E:E, Dinosaur, KRR, and the Safari—plus some shows, and consider the place to be a half-day park. The Disney fan community regularly talks about how the park needs Beastly Kingdomme to compensate for its lack of attractions; and we know part of the reason the Disco Yeti hasn't been fixed is that the park cannot sustain closing one of its few headliners.

DAK's supporters retort that the park actually has several walking trails and animal exhibits, and that it isn't supposed to be about "rides." They insist Animal Kingdom is supposed to be about enjoying the natural world, and the real star of the park is Kilimanjaro Safaris, not Expedition Everest.

But I wonder if the safari itself represents the park's problem? In an effort to distinguish itself from a "zoo," DAK has placed the majority of its headliner creatures on a ride. The only way to see a lion or elephant is to stand in line, load onto a vehicle that often blocks your view, and follow a predetermined ride path that rarely pauses long enough to actually observe and enjoy the animals. Then there's the ridiculous Simba-1 storyline about poachers that is silly the first time, and absolutely unbearable on subsequent trips.

At the same time Disney insists DAK is "Naht-a-Zu" and encourages guests to experience the animals in a perfect recreation of their natural habitats, they have limited the experience to what you can get from a ride.

But I'm not trying to demonize the safari. As someone who has been to Africa, I can confirm KS is extremely authentic. Plus, unlike the walking trails in Africa and Asia, KS actually attracts guests, many of which would rather sit down than continue walking through the massive theme park. Maharajah Jungle Trek offers fantastic observational areas for tigers, but a relatively small percentage of the park's daily attendance is willing to plod back there. Yet I suspect the walking paths would be much more popular if they were distributed throughout the park instead of flung into the furthest corners.

So here are the questions: would you accept DAK's current situation if you could both ride the safari and observe the same animals in highly realistic exhibits like Pangini Forest Trail? Would you feel that DAK had more to offer if the majority of its animals weren't contained within one ride? I'm not asking anyone to give up KS in our theoretical discussion; it's the one attraction that sets DAK apart from every other theme park. But if the animals were also spread throughout Africa and you could observe them on your own, would DAK seem to have enough to justify closing EE for repairs, or would you probably just walk briskly past the animal exhibits while looking for the next ride?

FWIW, my solution would be to keep the Safari and add both animal exhibits and a form of Beastly Kingdomme; but that's probably just the fanboy in me. :lol:
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Interesting topic. May I assume that in this discussion we are free of any of the logistical issues that would face designing new areas for the animals (sort of a Roller Coaster Tycoon approach of being able to right click and move things)?

I think the problem lies in what you highlighted: people don't want to walk.

I don't think any spreading out of the headline animals in KS would increase the capacity of the park. Especially if you were going to offer up the walking trials as alternative views and not replaces KS all together.

Although Disney has tried hard to get away from the perception that they are "Nah-Ta-Zu" (fun fact, one of my friends on safaris was in that commercial a decade ago), it may be that it has swung to far in the opposite direction and the animals are secondary to the attractions.

Perhaps it's not so much a redistribution of the animals on safari, but the integration and promotion of different animals throughout the park.
 

MKCP 1985

Well-Known Member
good question.

Count me in the number of people who see this as a half day park but while it would be nice to be able to see the lions and cheetahs and elephants separately for as long as I want at a time instead of only at the safari driver's pace (and I like Kilimanjaro Safaris), I still would need more Disney attractions to make the Animal Kingdom Park everything it should be, to me.
 

loveofamouse

Well-Known Member
A little background before I give my answer:

I am from Jacksonville, Fl. Our zoo is also Africa "themed." We have a train that takes you through the animal areas and huge walkways over, around, and through animal areas. We have several of the big cats, rhinos, many different apes, monkeys, reptiles, bats, etc. We also have where you can walk up and pet and feed giraffes for a very small fee. It's actually pretty cool. We also have rotating exhibits of penguins and stingrays that come for a while. We have large water tanks of water creatures and a bird area you can walk through and pet and feed them.

For me, when I'm going to AK, I'm not looking for the zoo part. I can get that at home. Yes, I do want to learn about nature and little facts on animals. Honestly, though, what am I learning by looking at a pampered lion lounging in the sun on perfectly positioned rocks. lol. I like hands on exhibits, shows, and rides. I like experience. I like a little nature mixed in the with the magic and imagination of "Disney." That said, I respect those who do want the experiences of seeing the animals. I am well aware that many cities are too cold to keep these animals.

IMO I would like to see more actual attractions. Doesn't have to be a coaster but just some good C/D tickets. Maybe another show. IMO I'd get rid of Nemo show. Maybe change it to an actual dance or ballet or something. Watching a bunch of adults walk around a stage with puppets just wasn't doing anything for me. Festival of the Lion King is my fav stage show in all of WDW. Honestly, I don't think they should do much more to the Dino area. It could easily end up mirroring JP at IOA. I would love to see an Austrailia area. Camp Minnie Mickey needs work. Either turn it into somthing or turn it into a hands on CAMP for the kids, kinda like a toon town camp

I wouldn't get rid of the zooish walk throughs or the safari but I definitely think the park should be completed.
 

Becky

Active Member
Is Animal Kingdom's Biggest Problem the Safari Itself?

Nope, the problem is "Tis a Zoo". :lookaroun If you don't have a major zoo near your town then AK is great. If you do AK is ok. I have a major zoo 15 minutes away, two other great zoos within a couple of hours, a safari type park within an hour and a self drive safari within a couple of hours so for me AK is not a must on my trips.
 

WDW_Princess

New Member
I was raised in Palm Beach County, FL. We were so close to Lion Country Safari which is a drive through zoo. You could see all the same animals that AK has from your vehicle. We had a smaller zoo nearby and a nature preserve. So, I was hoping for more than a zoo with a couple rides because that has been around for over 30 years in South Florida.

I was thrilled when AK was planned and concept art was released. I expected more from the park. I know budget always comes into play, but scrapping an entire land really sucked. They could have added the land with one or two smaller attractions and added on through the years.

If they built BK tomorrow, what would we have to complain about? Sorry, I ramble a lot.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I just thought of this, but the opening of AK reminds me of the opening of MGM Studios...where there was the studio tour which, along with the GMR was supposed to be the main draw, it was going to be THE reason to visit the park.

It seems like Disney has tried to make the Safari that same kind of thing.

People may disagree, but for animal exhibits, I still prefer Busch Gardens, it just seems like the animals are more accessible and there's different ways of seeing them (Edge of Africa walkthrough, train ride, skycar, Rhino Rally, etc.)
 

captainkidd

Well-Known Member
I've got zoos all around me. I only wish they'd be as cool as AK. It's odd. The animals to me aren't the real attraction at AK. I think it has 3 of the best rides in all of Disney - Kali, Everest and Dinosaur. Plus, from a natural point of view, it's an absolutely beautiful park. No doubt, it could use a couple more rides to make it better, but I think AK gets a bad rap. The beauty is in the details.
 

Mansion Butler

Active Member
Nah, their balance of African animal viewing is just fine. I would greatly enjoy more animals to see, particularly in something like an aquatic or Australian or South American expansion, but I don't have an issue with how I'm able to see the animals of Africa.

I've got zoos all around me. I only wish they'd be as cool as AK. It's odd. The animals to me aren't the real attraction at AK. I think it has 3 of the best rides in all of Disney - Kali, Everest and Dinosaur. Plus, from a natural point of view, it's an absolutely beautiful park. No doubt, it could use a couple more rides to make it better, but I think AK gets a bad rap. The beauty is in the details.
Good top tier attractions. Amazing theming and attention to detail. The animals are not the prime attraction, but they are a good one. And I love the fostering of a sense of adventure and exploration, how you're encouraged from the Oasis to pick a path to follow and discover its secrets before the park is revealed to you. And the whole place is like that and it's incredible. It's like the spirit of a Zelda game in a theme park with animals.

People may disagree, but for animal exhibits, I still prefer Busch Gardens
I do disagree. Strongly. The enclosures are hideous compared to DAK.
 

NYwdwfan

Well-Known Member
The past trip in December we skipped AK because (1) it was frigid cold and we figured the animals would be hiding and (2) Kali was closed (again, it was frigid) and (3) I'm a woosey little fraidy cat that's scared of EE. And I tend to prefer to be entertained. When I was little my parents would drag us to Discovery Island because in those days, it was either MK, River Country or DI and when you went in December, RC was usually closed due to cold Bay Lake temperatures. I hated DI. To me it was a bunch of birds in cages and I could see that at the zoo - not what I wanted from my WDW vacation. Maybe that's not how it was - but I was 3 and couldn't read and just remember being bored out of my skull. I guess I still have a bit of that feeling in me - I just don't enjoy walking through exhibits and reading informational plaques. I like to be sitting and being moved through on some sort of vehicle. Maybe that makes me lazy, or uncultured, or whatever - but it's my preference.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
The biggest problem with guests who consider it a half day park are the guests. You want rides? Go elsewhere.

Not that a few Ds or another E would go amiss...
 

loveofamouse

Well-Known Member
The biggest problem with guests who consider it a half day park are the guests. You want rides? Go elsewhere.

Not that a few Ds or another E would go amiss...


Sorry but I didn't pay ~$80 for a one day pass to a zoo. if it's going to be a zoo, it should be cheaper admission. simple as that.
 

rstaut

Member
I enjoy AK as it is. The way it's currently arranged is great...half zoo like...half attractions. Why not?

I am partial to the Asian River Otters. We don't have them in our zoo here. I could watch them play for hours!
 

LowesChevy

Well-Known Member
Let's get Beastly...

We usually do AK in a morning hitting EE, KS and just about every shop in the park.

We do not care for KRR or Dinosaur. We love the atmosphere in the park, Devine is really cool, taking photos of the animals and park whimsy are a must, walking through the animal trails is exciting, but as three adults there is not a lot here to hold our interest. The shows are good, but not a necessity to us. The majority of our trip is spent at MK and Epcot. Different strokes for different folks.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I am going to open a can of worms with this, but here it goes. The problem with Disney's Animal Kingdom is that it opened too late. This is a park all about exploring and wandering, taking your time to figure your way around. All being introduced simultaneous with Disney offering an entirely new way to experience the parks. When Disneyland is was a themed park, in many ways it was expected that guests would use it like many other parks, with dining, shopping, leisure areas and attractions, all within a themed environment.

Today the amusement park aspect has become the dominating character of Disney's parks, and Disney really started pushing that just as they opened a park that harkened back to so many old ideas. A park built around spontaneity is just foreign when surrounded by appointments and planning. People spend months, even years, meticulously planning a Walt Disney World vacation, making dining reservations half a year in advance and wait-minimizing plans becoming a business. I do not think it is so much that people are unwilling to walk, because they are already walking, it is that they have not scheduled for a walking trail and not willing to risk deviating from their schedule.

I LOVE Disney's Animal Kingdom and enjoy just meandering, but we have all been guilty of, at one time or another, shotgunning from ride to ride.
 

MKCP 1985

Well-Known Member
The biggest problem with guests who consider it a half day park are the guests. You want rides? Go elsewhere.

Not that a few Ds or another E would go amiss...

I want rides and in the case of Expedition: Everest, I want rides that work as intended. And yes, in the case of Disney's Animal Kingdom Park, I go elsewhere - to Sea World, or Universal or even Busch Gardens. :shrug:

And if Disney Animal Kingdom Park executives say, "good riddance," then woe be to them in the years ahead. In my opinion, the Disney Animal Kingdom Park is the least performing park at the Walt Disney World resort and it has lots of room for improvement.
 

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