disneydevil1
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DING DING DING, WE HAVE ANOTHER WINNER.
I have long come to the conclusion that Disney does not care about WDW. I mean they care more about the foreign properties then they care about WDW.
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DING DING DING, WE HAVE ANOTHER WINNER.
I have long come to the conclusion that Disney does not care about WDW. I mean they care more about the foreign properties then they care about WDW.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
I do see it, but numbers are easy to convey here on a message board. And they tell the story.
It's quite clear that many people on this board have never been to SoCal, never been to Disneyland, and didn't go to D23 Expo. They can't understand why Anaheim is so perfect for such an event, and they don't understand why they can't just stuff it into the conference center in the parking lot of the Contemporary Resort. They just don't get it.
Numbers can help tell part of the story, and they have been used here to try and debunk every hair-brained scheme to shove 40,000 people into the 900 seat Soundstage 1, or shuttle 80,000 people per day on a mythical high speed train that seats 250 people per trip. Getting all of the physical displays and exhibits out to Orlando is another huge hurdle, and coralling a few dozen top execs and high-maintenance celebrities out to Orlando is another headache. Those personnel issues can be overcome with enough money and politics, but the logisitcal problems of WDW and Orlando are much harder to overcome however.
Get on a plane and spend a 3 day weekend in Anaheim. Walk around the place and see it. Then you'll understand why big Disney events like D23 Expo are destined for Anaheim forever, at least in their current large formats. And while you're walking around and checking it all out, get a Fastpass for the Indiana Jones Adventure. You'll love it! :lol:
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Any convention can happen on the East Coast, as they certainly do. But a Disney convention should be on Disney property and/or within walking distance of Disney property. I just can't see why Disney would move D23 Expo to the Orlando Convention Center and let all their fans pile into non-Disney hotels on I-Drive for the long weekend.
As for D23, I'm not a D23 member and I don't have a dog in that fight. I went to the D23 Expo and just paid the extra $5 for the non-member ticket, and sometimes I buy the D23 magazine at Disneyland if the issue is good. (And this last issue wasn't good and I didn't buy it)
But I can certainly understand the frustration of East Coast D23 members, especially those in Florida. D23 all seems aimed squarely at SoCal. The big D23 event on WDW property this year is the last Star Tours ride, a copy of the same event D23 held at Disneyland in July when Star Tours closed at Disneyland. They just have to have a Destination D event at WDW for the 40th next year like they are having at Disneyland for the 55th this month.
But then it's not just D23 that is operating very differently on each coast. Take the Disney Parks Blog for example. The blog owners at Disneyland have hosted several meet n' greets in the parks this past year where you RSVP and check in at the park and are given special showings of World of Color or rides on the new Midway Mania, they have Imagineers and show producers hold roundtable discussions about the parks, they pass out freebies and trinkets and gift items as thank you gestures, and then wrap it up on the blog the next day and thank everyone for participating. And it's all free, and just for fun.
And the Disneyland blog authors often have a sense of wit and invite critical thinking. There is genuine personality behind them, even if it still has a shiny Disney gloss to it.
The WDW blog owners never host events in the parks. They just seem to spit up PR puff pieces about new merchandise and food offerings. Their posts are sanitized of any real wit or critical thinking, and the personality seems to come from a humorless corporate shared mind. :brick:
The last blog post from the WDW food writer was about hot dogs, and the people on the blog had to point out to her that one of the hot dogs she was writing about was taken off the menu 2 weeks earlier. This blog author was just regurgitating an old press release and hadn't actually visited the park where the product was sold. God help the poor woman if she actually organized a meet in the park to taste hot dogs and meet the people she writes for.
It's quite fascinating to see Disney operate so differently on each coast. D23 is one thing, as it's based entirely out of Burbank and aimed at Anaheim. But the Disney Parks Blog is another as there are Parks Blog staff right now living in Orlando. You just want to storm those TDO offices and scream at people to break the shackles of their corporate dullness, get out into the sunlight and DO SOMETHING!
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disneydevil1
New Member
I do see it, but numbers are easy to convey here on a message board. And they tell the story.
It's quite clear that many people on this board have never been to SoCal, never been to Disneyland, and didn't go to D23 Expo. They can't understand why Anaheim is so perfect for such an event, and they don't understand why they can't just stuff it into the conference center in the parking lot of the Contemporary Resort. They just don't get it.
Numbers can help tell part of the story, and they have been used here to try and debunk every hair-brained scheme to shove 40,000 people into the 900 seat Soundstage 1, or shuttle 80,000 people per day on a mythical high speed train that seats 250 people per trip. Getting all of the physical displays and exhibits out to Orlando is another huge hurdle, and coralling a few dozen top execs and high-maintenance celebrities out to Orlando is another headache. Those personnel issues can be overcome with enough money and politics, but the logisitcal problems of WDW and Orlando are much harder to overcome however.
Get on a plane and spend a 3 day weekend in Anaheim. Walk around the place and see it. Then you'll understand why big Disney events like D23 Expo are destined for Anaheim forever, at least in their current large formats. And while you're walking around and checking it all out, get a Fastpass for the Indiana Jones Adventure. You'll love it! :lol:
Anaheim sucks, big time, there is no reason why it should be there. And continue to cling to the nonfacts and nonstats you have. You are wrong, you are just too thick skulled to admit it.
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
In all fairness, you never asked how many people my hair-brained, mythical high speed train can seat. It's quite possible I was proposing a shuttle that seats 80,000, goes 300 miles an hour, and runs on unicorn dust...since it is mythical and all.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
In all fairness, you never asked how many people my hair-brained, mythical high speed train can seat. It's quite possible I was proposing a shuttle that seats 80,000, goes 300 miles an hour, and runs on unicorn dust...since it is mythical and all.
Oh, you're right! :lol:
I'll get my calculator out again and Google the conversion table for unicorn dust...
The point of a Disney convention should be
1) Make money for Disney and then local busniess places
2) drum up major interst in future prjects
3) Drive up attendance to the parks in slow times
So I'm from Jersey and happen to be in WDW this week. Today at the studios it was empty. The only thing that had more than a 10 minute wait was Toy Story. Since kids are back to school the next month or so is very dead down here. Normaly up till the halloween week. So if they had a convention at the end of sept or start of oct. they would drive in alot of traffic that normaly wouldn't be here . That is the point of the con for them on the east coast and they hould save east coast announcments for that con.
Studios Fan
Active Member
Also Anaheim / L.A. being a much bigger market will also help get a lot more media coverage.
MiklCraw4d
Member
You're absolutely right in your assessment. I'm just astounded how stridently people seem to reject simple, cut-and-dried facts. Math is not subjective.
I'm an east-coast, die-hard WDW snob but I went to the Expo last year in California and there's no way it could have happened at WDW. Not without a massive re-thinking of the entire event. People were running from one event to another, splitting up to get in different lines and meeting afterward. Imagine if you were doing that at WDW, and had one event at the Contemporary and another at Coronado Springs. With as big a disaster as WDW transportation is these days, that would probably take you an hour on a slow day. Now imagine if there are 50,000 extra people on property. This leaves out the fact that all of WDW represents just a fraction of the space that the Anaheim convention center has under one roof, as has been so ably demonstrated in this thread.
And yeah, it's pretty clear that no one at Disney cares about WDW fans. All special events seem to cater to west-coasters. Disneyland gets the cool events, and we're an afterthought. I absolutely hate it, but magical thinking won't change that.
DocMcHulk
Well-Known Member
Here's my personal view on this. Disney has expanded to 6 parks now. I really wonder if that amount of parks is a financial drain that limits their ability to keep the 2 American parks fresh. This is also my argument why a 5th gate will not happen for a VERY VERY long time.
DisneyLeo18
Active Member
Step 1: Hold D23 event in Orlando
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit!
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit!
disneydevil1
New Member
Math is not subjective and the Math shows that it CAN happen at WDW.
DocMcHulk
Well-Known Member
I wondering out loud here: but based on a private conversation I had the other day, i am wondering if maybe some "young blood" is currently being infused into WDW/WDI Florida.
Magenta Panther
Well-Known Member
This had been my feeling too. Every time I hear about Disney building another park overseas, I cringe a little. Many a business has gone under from overexpansion or too much emphasis on "growing the company". I wish Disney would cut back a little and focus on its two signature parks. It's better to be a meaningful specific than a vast mediocrity.
Brian Noble
Well-Known Member
The fifth gate will only happen when americans begin taking vacations that are longer than one week on a routine basis. The four they have, plus the minor parks, already fully occupy the "typical" week-long stay.
As the resort's visitor count grows, they will need to add capacity to existing parks. But, there's no compelling reason to add a new gate.
As the resort's visitor count grows, they will need to add capacity to existing parks. But, there's no compelling reason to add a new gate.
sublimesting
Well-Known Member
I took it that deadwood refers to either Frontierland or staffing changes.
stitch2008
Member
Most likley changes in staffing. Probably at the top of TDO.
WDWFigment
Well-Known Member
Collect EPCOT underpants!
MarkTwain
Well-Known Member
I'm not usually one to quote a dictionary when proving a point, but I thought it might clarify Al's quote a little:
(Courtesy of dictionary.com)
So it sounds like there is definitely going to be some corporate shuffling in the future.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I'm not so sure that came out quite so right! :lookaroun :hurl: