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Sagging economy slows plans for ‘Flamingo Crossings’ at Disney

TURKEY

New Member
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http://thedailydisney.com/blog/2009/11/sagging-economy-slows-plans-for-flamingo-crossings-at-disney/




Just beyond the western entrance to Walt Disney World, construction crews are putting the finishing touches on a new network of roads complete with utility lines, street lamps and palm trees — but not a single building.

The empty streetscape is all that exists so far of “Flamingo Crossings,” a 450-acre lodging-and-shopping district that Disney World announced more than three years ago as a way to capture more spending from the legions of price-sensitive tourists who visit the resort’s theme parks every year but bypass its premium-priced hotels in favor of cheaper, off-property accommodations.

>> See pictures of construction at Flamingo Crossing

Disney has been actively marketing the property to developers of hotels, restaurants and shopping centers for two years. It has yet to close a sale.

The stalled project is a high-profile victim of the global recession and credit freeze, which has made financing for many commercial construction projects exceedingly hard to obtain. It is also emblematic of a broader construction slowdown at the giant resort: Records show that building-permit activity at Disney World has dropped 25 percent during the past year.

“There seems to be a lot of interest in the site. It’s just putting together financing today is difficult,” said Ray Maxwell, district administrator for the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the semi-autonomous government that oversees Disney’s vast property.

Disney says it remains committed to Flamingo Crossings, which it ultimately envisions as having between 4,000 and 5,000 hotel rooms and between 300,000 and 500,000 square feet of retail space, anchored by a village-like town center. Although the resort had hoped initial hotel construction would have begun by now, it has always expected the development would take eight to 10 years to complete.

“We still feel that’s on track in terms of time frame,” said Marilyn Waters, a spokeswoman for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. “There are a lot of different factors that can affect the timing.”

Designed to compete with moderately priced lodging, dining and shopping options such as those found just off property in Osceola County or on International Drive, Flamingo Crossings is to be much different than a typical Disney development. Instead of large, elaborately themed hotels and eateries, it is to include low- and mid-rise hotels and motels, fast-food and casual-dining chains, and stores selling staples such as groceries, toiletries and basic clothing.

Disney said it expects that, in addition to tourists, many of its 60,000-plus employees will eat and shop in Flamingo Crossings.

Although the land is to remain within Reedy Creek and be subject to its more-stringent design standards, Disney intends to sell parcels of land to third-party builders to construct the businesses. Disney began shopping the property in November 2007 with promotional materials that displayed a flock of plastic pink flamingo positioned as if running and urged developers to “Beat the stampede!”

Vertical construction has languished, but site work is nearly complete. Maxwell said Reedy Creek has laid all the necessary utility lines for the project’s first phase and expects to complete the roadwork and landscaping by the end of the month.

The delay has not been a surprise to some people. Tom DeWolf, who chairs Reedy Creek’s board of supervisors, said he was skeptical of Flamingo Crossings when it was announced because there were already signs that the real-estate market was overheated.

“I could see things had reached a point where I just personally had the feeling that it’s going a little too far,” DeWolf said.

Disney says it continues to negotiate with potential developers. Waters said the project should get a lift when district workers complete a road-extension project that will connect the Flamingo Crossings site to an unrelated time-share development.

“I can tell you we continue to have significant interest from hotels, retailers and restaurants,” Waters said. “As the economy recovers, we’re in good position.”

Flamingo Crossings is not the only construction project that has slowed. Records at Reedy Creek show that building-permit activity dropped 25 percent during its 2008-09 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, compared with a year earlier.

The total construction value of projects permitted during the year plummeted 61 percent, from $409.4 million to $158.7 million.

Disney and Reedy Creek say the results aren’t purely the result of the poor economy, and that building activity fluctuates from year to year. Construction values, for example, have also been affected by falling prices for materials and labor. And the year-ago totals were boosted by three large time-share projects that Disney completed earlier this year.

Construction activity could rebound soon. Disney will break ground in coming months on an overhaul of the Fantasyland section of the Magic Kingdom, which the resort calls the biggest expansion in that theme park’s 38-year history.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Such a mess, in a way. Why create a DTD-esque "normal" mall...when DTD is failing? I don't get it.

DTD is NOT failing. The parking lot still fills up despite a pathetic economy.

That said, FC would be the perfect location for an adults resort/entertainment complex like PI......but different.
 

TURKEY

New Member
Original Poster
DTD is NOT failing. The parking lot still fills up despite a pathetic economy.

That said, FC would be the perfect location for an adults resort/entertainment complex like PI......but different.


Don't you realize that the parking lot fills up because people don't want to pay to park? :shrug::ROFLOL:
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
DTD is NOT failing. The parking lot still fills up despite a pathetic economy.

That said, FC would be the perfect location for an adults resort/entertainment complex like PI......but different.
Heeeeeeeere we go.:brick: It was nice while it lasted, jt.

West Side= Dead.

PI= Killed off.

Marketplace/Village? OK, got me there.

2/3rds isn't good.
Don't you realize that the parking lot fills up because people don't want to pay to park? :shrug::ROFLOL:
This, too.
 

TinkerBelle8878

Well-Known Member
What never made sense to me about the FLamingo area was that there's still the other half of Pop that needs to be finished before they even consider new lodging. And if the barebones Values are considered too expensive (which they are considering what the same price a few minutes away would get you) I shudder to think what these more price conscious rooms might be. For some reason I picture something out of Survivor with a hose shower and a hole in the woods.

Plus all those empty stores in DtD and PI that are underutilized. Perhaps Disney should've gotten companies to sign on before bothering?
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Anyone in line to say "I told you so!"?

Relying on a 3rd party to cover costs let Epcot stagnate and DD virtually collapse.
 

TURKEY

New Member
Original Poster
What never made sense to me about the FLamingo area was that there's still the other half of Pop that needs to be finished before they even consider new lodging. And if the barebones Values are considered too expensive (which they are considering what the same price a few minutes away would get you) I shudder to think what these more price conscious rooms might be. For some reason I picture something out of Survivor with a hose shower and a hole in the woods.

Plus all those empty stores in DtD and PI that are underutilized. Perhaps Disney should've gotten companies to sign on before bothering?



Keep in mind that these rooms at FC would be a 3rd party and not Disney resorts.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Woah....Those budgets effected this one?!:fork:

According to some "in the know" people here that's not possible!:rolleyes::lol:
Nah - but relying on outside money to prop up your idea is why Wonders is shut, Energy is dated, Seas is what it is, Maelstrom is a breeze and France is stuck in 1982.

Not to mention all the restaurants that arn`t filling up PI or the big Virgin store that isn`t a store anymore.

These days companies are almost cynical when it comes to paying Disney for something they can do without or can do just the same for less money on virgin land on 192.
 

_Scar

Active Member
Don't you realize that the parking lot fills up because people don't want to pay to park? :shrug::ROFLOL:


:lol:

Have you been to DtD on any given day in 2009? The place is a mad house and obviously a few nightclubs going under did not stop its momentum.

And many people here and my family have no idea/don't want to take advantage of free parking.
 

wdwfan22

Well-Known Member
Don't you realize that the parking lot fills up because people don't want to pay to park? :shrug::ROFLOL:

Some may do that but i don't buy that's the only reason the lots are full. The marketplace shops are FULL every single day with people spending loot.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
This is nothing new. I reported this months ago. The spin may be that things are going to be fine down the line, but I can tell you it wouldn't surprise me if this thing never gets built and something else takes its place.

Third parties are struggling. They aren't looking to expand, let alone in over-developed Orlando, while paying The Mouse a premium for the privilege. It just isn't going to happen.

TSFKaPI should more than capably show that.

And Westside? Sad. And even worse is how badly Disney wants to shutter DQ, but can't because it is so huge.
 

raiden

Member
Great news! 429 will hopefully keep the clean look since the road opened. Theres nothing better that driving down 429 and seeing the MK area as you get closer to the entrance by AK. I have a feeling 429 will become 192 part 2 if this area gets built. Do we really need another bs shopping center? Maybe they can focus on DtD now?

When I read post(s) on how DtD isnt dead, PI was crappy, gang members everwhere(too funny) and they have bold visions of the place. I chuckle to myself. The parking lots are only full at marketplace where the people go. Westside and PI are dead. The reason there are still people wondering around is AMC. Sorry folks Disney screwed up one of the most unique shopping centers in the country. Denial isnt a river in Egypt.(hehe sorry i had to use it)

I dont get it. The same posters who condemned PI want FC to be built with adult nightlife. Sorry but I dont like them selling land to 3rd parties for a regular shopping center that can be found anywhere. Do we really need more mediocre restaurants and clothing stores?
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Nah - but relying on outside money to prop up your idea is why Wonders is shut, Energy is dated, Seas is what it is, Maelstrom is a breeze and France is stuck in 1982.

Not to mention all the restaurants that arn`t filling up PI or the big Virgin store that isn`t a store anymore.

These days companies are almost cynical when it comes to paying Disney for something they can do without or can do just the same for less money on virgin land on 192.

:brick::brick:


That is the ULTIMATE in frustration.


So....how to fix it?:lookaroun
 

trr1

Well-Known Member
DTD is NOT failing. The parking lot still fills up despite a pathetic economy.

That said, FC would be the perfect location for an adults resort/entertainment complex like PI......but different.
Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clones.

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the clones?
Send in the clones.

Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours,
Making my entrance again with my usual flair,
Sure of my lines,
No one is there.

Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clones?
Quick, send in the clones.
Don't bother, they're here.

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer,
Losing my timing this late
In my career?
And where are the clones?
There ought to be clones.
Well, maybe next year.
 

CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
The bad economy actually did something good. It stopped this debacle from happening. From its name to its concept, it's all flawed and terrible. The money they spent on developing the land could have kept PI running for years and at least had some return on investment.
 

disney4life2008

Well-Known Member
This is a waste of money. I understand they want to make more revenue specifically to Disney - but this could have been used to improve DTD. I would not say DTD is failing in any way but it needs a SEVERE upgrading.
 

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