Florida Resident Disney Vloggers on YouTube

[LeighM]

Maybe I am in the minority, but I watch vloggers for their personality and location, not necessarily travel planning advice. I like the ones that don't feel like they belong on a travel show.

Personality is very important! If you don't like their personality then it doesn't matter how good their planning advice is. Personally, I get very bored just watching the equivalent of someone's WDW vacation if there's nothing useful in it for me. If I wanted to just see the parks then I would only watch 4K WDW and not have to deal with personalities and voiceovers. But I like watching planning videos so I can get some idea of how best to utilize Genie+, what food options are consistently must haves at the Epcot festival, what restaurants have changed their menus so that I don't waste my time getting an ADR. I don't go often enough for none of it to matter. It's the same as asking for trip/planning advice on these boards except that I can actually see it for myself. But there's definitely enough Disney vloggers so that there's channels for every type of viewer. No matter what you like to watch, there's something out there for you.

 

[mergatroid]

Well it would appear that the vile forum Tattle Life that seems to just allow people to post abuse and criticism of vloggers and social media influencers may finally be in trouble. It appears that an influencers daughter aged 16 killed herself after being targeted and trolled about her appearance after her mother and her were bullied online via the site and then other social media platforms.

I know heartless people will point out that if you put yourself out there on social media that you're opening yourself up to be a target, but a site set up for adults to just bully and abuse people seems really pathetic and wrong. Countless people have been doxed and horrific lies and accusations posted on that site, hopefully the call for the UK to close it down will result in its closure or at the very least, proper moderation.

 

[Raineman]

Well it would appear that the vile forum Tattle Life that seems to just allow people to post abuse and criticism of vloggers and social media influencers may finally be in trouble. It appears that an influencers daughter aged 16 killed herself after being targeted and trolled about her appearance after her mother and her were bullied online via the site and then other social media platforms.

I know heartless people will point out that if you put yourself out there on social media that you're opening yourself up to be a target, but a site set up for adults to just bully and abuse people seems really pathetic and wrong. Countless people have been doxed and horrific lies and accusations posted on that site, hopefully the call for the UK to close it down will result in its closure or at the very least, proper moderation.

There is nothing wrong with civilized criticism of vloggers/influencers-there are some Disney vloggers that I have criticisms of and do not like, because of their content, who/what they show from their daily lives, and any hypocrisy that they have displayed. But, that criticism should never reach the level that it does on that site-it goes way over the line on there. Criticism and calling out these vloggers on their content can be done in a civilized manner while throwing some humor and any warranted praise in there, too-the Florida Resident Edits channel on YouTube is an example of this. Does the FRE channel mock some of these vloggers? Maybe, in a way, but never in a vicious, bullying way, and most of it is warranted, imo. These people should not be immune to criticism-no one should-but they should be immune to extreme levels of criticism to the point where it becomes abusive.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’m still fascinated by the idea of a website made specifically to mock something… find a better hobby.

If a vlogger bothers someone so much they feel the need to mock them after watching their show why not just watch something else? It’s not like there’s not infinite entertainment choices now.

 

[mergatroid]

I’m still fascinated by the idea of a website made specifically to mock something… find a better hobby.

If a vlogger bothers someone so much they feel the need to mock them after watching their show why not just watch something else? It’s not like there’s not infinite entertainment choices now.

I think a lot of the people who post on there must have very low self esteem or are jealous of the ability others have to make a living vlogging? They just make stuff up about many of the vloggers and decide that's the truth and hammer them for it, even criticising their kids or parents. Ironically the moderators seem very quick to ban anyone who actually dares to point out anything positive about the people being abused, that is after they've been ripped to pieces by the other members and been accused of being the vlogger of being friends with them. The thing that's most disturbing is that many are female and openly talk about how they would never do x, y or z with their own kids and then say the most horrific things about their targets.

 

[JIMINYCR]

I’m still fascinated by the idea of a website made specifically to mock something… find a better hobby.

If a vlogger bothers someone so much they feel the need to mock them after watching their show why not just watch something else? It’s not like there’s not infinite entertainment choices now.

Because they feel empowered by their ability to think they can cause harm to someone without consequences. They are little people who have nothing in their lives that matters much. It raises their opinions about themselves that someone has to be reading what they spew out and think they've made a difference. They are now significant.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I’m still fascinated by the idea of a website made specifically to mock something… find a better hobby.

If a vlogger bothers someone so much they feel the need to mock them after watching their show why not just watch something else? It’s not like there’s not infinite entertainment choices now.

You'll always have a smallish group of emotionally disturbed people, but I do think internet dynamics, when done wrong, can push people in a really bad direction. The most outrageous post gets the most likes, there's an echo chamber with no normalizing voices, people who might be a little snarky but otherwise pretty normal people are surrounded by people who are much more extreme (or bots who they don't realize are bots) so they get pushed in that direction. Over time what was supposed to be a bit of gossip about a show becomes some kind of 4Chan equivalent, in terms of toxicity.

 

[Br0ckford]

The "anonymity " of the internet makes weak people brave

 

[Baron Von Capybara]

The "anonymity " of the internet makes weak people brave

It's much better when people use their proper name and species

 

[Phil12]

There is nothing wrong with civilized criticism of vloggers/influencers-there are some Disney vloggers that I have criticisms of and do not like, because of their content, who/what they show from their daily lives, and any hypocrisy that they have displayed. But, that criticism should never reach the level that it does on that site-it goes way over the line on there. Criticism and calling out these vloggers on their content can be done in a civilized manner while throwing some humor and any warranted praise in there, too-the Florida Resident Edits channel on YouTube is an example of this. Does the FRE channel mock some of these vloggers? Maybe, in a way, but never in a vicious, bullying way, and most of it is warranted, imo. These people should not be immune to criticism-no one should-but they should be immune to extreme levels of criticism to the point where it becomes abusive.

Unfortunately, Disney vloggers live in a world where they have no accountability. They use a format such as YouTube and give the impression that they are reporters, journalists, fact checkers, entertainers, and/or public or private ombudsman. They give the impression that they are providing information for "the people" and providing a service to their audience. However, what objective measure is used to quantify authentic content?

In reality it all comes down to a popularity contest. If a vlogger comes across in a very likeable and down-home manner they will be liked by their audience and build a fan base. They will do well regardless of the truth or accuracy of their content. When a favorite vlogger is factually exposed for engaging in risky, careless or illegal activities then the critics are often called trolls by the fan base.

The vlogger and their fans go away happy with their version of the truth.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

In reality it all comes down to a popularity contest.

Just like preachers and politicians!

 

[mergatroid]

Unfortunately, Disney vloggers live in a world where they have no accountability. They use a format such as YouTube and give the impression that they are reporters, journalists, fact checkers, entertainers, and/or public or private ombudsman. They give the impression that they are providing information for "the people" and providing a service to their audience. However, what objective measure is used to quantify authentic content?

In reality it all comes down to a popularity contest. If a vlogger comes across in a very likeable and down-home manner they will be liked by their audience and build a fan base. They will do well regardless of the truth or accuracy of their content. When a favorite vlogger is factually exposed for engaging in risky, careless or illegal activities then the critics are often called trolls by the fan base.

The vlogger and their fans go away happy with their version of the truth.

Much of what you say may be true but I think the post you were replying to wasn't defending vloggers and saying they shouldn't be criticised, but rather saying they shouldn't be getting the levels of abuse that site gives them.

I'm sure that some vloggers when factually exposed for engaging in risky, careless or illegal activities and are criticised that their fan base and the vloggers may call those doing it trolls.

However if we're still talking about that particular site and the person you were quoting was, they don't just criticise vloggers engaging or conducting in risky, careless or illegal activities. They actively abuse them for posting anything good or bad.

I've read comments about a vlogger's camera work seemingly not being as steady as it once was. A fair enough criticism until one starts posting saying "I reckon they're starting with a motor neurone disease". This then snowballs with comments like "Nice, fingers crossed it doesn't take long before it kills them" or "Terminal I hope". Nobody tells them they've gone too far and if one does the rest are like a pack of wolves attacking them for defending the vlogger.

When some vloggers hired a 'nanny' it turned into the fact the parents must by default drink and can't look after their kids. People froze screen shots of images of reflections of the nanny (who actively avoided being filmed or discussed on the vlog) on a window and posted that image so they could try to find her on social media to then ask her questions or abuse her.

Like vloggers or not I think we can say that's going too far. Yes they choose to put themselves and their kids into the public realm and I have no issue with people criticising their choices or their videos. But that shouldn't justify the bullying and harassment that many receive on there, the suicide of a 16 year old being an example of what can happen sadly.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Unfortunately, Disney vloggers live in a world where they have no accountability. They use a format such as YouTube and give the impression that they are reporters, journalists, fact checkers, entertainers, and/or public or private ombudsman. They give the impression that they are providing information for "the people" and providing a service to their audience. However, what objective measure is used to quantify authentic content?

I think one of the things you mentioned is an accurate description of what they're doing, and all the others are very different from that thing. Perhaps some people are looking to Disney vloggers to be public ombudsmen, but I think most understand they are providing entertainment and ultimately tailoring their content to what their audience wants to see rather than engaging in a fearless crusade for "the truth".

In reality it all comes down to a popularity contest. If a vlogger comes across in a very likeable and down-home manner they will be liked by their audience and build a fan base. They will do well regardless of the truth or accuracy of their content. When a favorite vlogger is factually exposed for engaging in risky, careless or illegal activities then the critics are often called trolls by the fan base.

The vlogger and their fans go away happy with their version of the truth.

Again, you're casually throwing in very different things as though they are comparable. It is one thing to develop a persona and content to appeal to an audience. It is entirely another to engage in "risky, careless or illegal activities."

I don't watch any Disney vloggers, so this doesn't come from a place of finding their content particularly interesting or worthwhile on a personal level. Complaining that essentially light entertainment is not hard-hitting journalism, though, seems to miss the point.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Well it would appear that the vile forum Tattle Life that seems to just allow people to post abuse and criticism of vloggers and social media influencers may finally be in trouble. It appears that an influencers daughter aged 16 killed herself after being targeted and trolled about her appearance after her mother and her were bullied online via the site and then other social media platforms.

I know heartless people will point out that if you put yourself out there on social media that you're opening yourself up to be a target, but a site set up for adults to just bully and abuse people seems really pathetic and wrong. Countless people have been doxed and horrific lies and accusations posted on that site, hopefully the call for the UK to close it down will result in its closure or at the very least, proper moderation.

That is a vile site. I think someone once posted a link to a thread here, so I looked. For a very short period of time. They were talking about several of my friends and the stuff was basically made up, or grossly twisted.

 

[FiestaFunKid]

I lean more towards free speech, so not sure about shutting it down - but that site is really full of miserable folks. From what I've seen, if someone tries to bring up anything remotely positive, they get ganged up on mercilessly by board veterans. It's a place where members' lives are so unhappy, they need to get joy by bringing down other people. It reminds me of jealous little children.

Obviously, no famous person should be immune to criticism (Chapek probably confuses this site for Tattle, which I have contributed to) but it's laughably one sided over there.

 

[Jrb1979]

I lean more towards free speech, so not sure about shutting it down - but that site is really full of miserable folks. From what I've seen, if someone tries to bring up anything remotely positive, they get ganged up on mercilessly by board veterans. It's a place where members' lives are so unhappy, they need to get joy by bringing down other people. It reminds me of jealous little children.

Obviously, no famous person should be immune to criticism (Chapek probably confuses this site for Tattle, which I have contributed to) but it's laughably one sided over there.

I agree it's not good over there. I will say it did uncover everything that went down with Pete Werner and the Dis Unlimited scandal.

 

[Phil12]

I think one of the things you mentioned is an accurate description of what they're doing, and all the others are very different from that thing. Perhaps some people are looking to Disney vloggers to be public ombudsman, but I think most understand they are providing entertainment and ultimately tailoring their content to what their audience wants to see rather than engaging in a fearless crusade for "the truth".


Again, you're casually throwing in very different things as though they are comparable. It is one thing to develop a persona and content to appeal to an audience. It is entirely another to engage in "risky, careless or illegal activities."

I don't watch any Disney vloggers, so this doesn't come from a place of finding their content particularly interesting or worthwhile on a personal level. Complaining that essentially light entertainment is not hard-hitting journalism, though, seems to miss the point.

Successful vloggers are persuasive, charismatic and want to be able to connect with the average viewer on an emotional level. The competition among them is fierce and to gain views they will engage in the aforementioned activities. Even better if they can get a video to go viral. Some of the Disney vloggers have used these techniques such as going backstage for views of activities that are not available to the common guest. Some vloggers have been trespassed by Disney, Universal and other companies.

Now, rather than try to cover the wide range of highly questionable activities vloggers have done, let me narrow it down to one area. Trespassing and video recording in backstage areas. A surfeit of videos exist showing unauthorized vloggers illegally trespassing in backstage areas of various venues putting themselves in physical danger while they "create" content. This content is in direct violation of the rules issued by YouTube and the other digital platforms. Yet they still remain up and running for anyone to view. Some of those videos have been posted on this website in the past.

And because vloggers have no accountability, they are held to no standard of moral turpitude. You are very wise to not watch Disney vloggers!

 

[DisneyHead123]

That is a vile site. I think someone once posted a link to a thread here, so I looked. For a very short period of time. They were talking about several of my friends and the stuff was basically made up, or grossly twisted.

When I was young, there was the beginning of “snark culture”, and while I’m not proud to say I participated when I was young and less sensitive to others, it was way toned down. I would grab the weekly tabloids and couldn’t wait to squeal to my cousins “Oh my gawd, what did Keri Russell do to her hair, what was she even thinking?!” Later it moved online to sites like Television Without Pity.

Somewhere along the way this stuff took one heck of a dark turn. For one thing, my understanding (I can’t frequent these sites because I get too weirded out) is that a lot of it is viciously misogynistic. Body shaming, tearing apart how women look, mom shaming, and so on.

For another, the level of obsession on places like that seems to be next level unhealthy. Like it breeds an absolute, hate driven fixation on these people they’ve never met in their lives. I mean I sort of lean towards Buddhism (or Western Buddhism-lite, I guess) and agree with the idea that you should cultivate positive states of mind. Absolutely fixating on internally generating endless hatred towards innocent people is psychologically terrible. And not being able to focus on anything but the people they spew vitriol at - again, I’d go so far as to say that’s psychologically damaging.

 

[ajrwdwgirl]

I agree it's not good over there. I will say it did uncover everything that went down with Pete Werner and the Dis Unlimited scandal.

Too be honest, I've been wondering lately whatever happened to Pete Werner and the scandal but I haven't been so tempted to go to that site to see if anything new about him/it has been posted.