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DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
it seems a trend is forming where Disney is no longer aiming for general audiences and universal appeal and instead making attractions for individual age groups. This one being laser-focused on kids. (like Tiana) Why would Disney purposefully limit the appeal? Shouldn't a show be designed for everyone?

It's a combination of doing what is easiest to please shareholders and promoting people who don't have any real vision, talent, or understanding of theme parks into important decision makers.

Literally no guests are out there demanding: "You know what, instead of attractions that are fun for everyone, what I really want is stuff that panders to my kids that won't challenge them or resonate with them in any way, that will be about as memorable as YouTube Kids autoplaying random Cocomelon videos."
 

KDM31091

Well-Known Member
Excellent review. "One and done" has been something I've said about a lot of new attractions lately (not just at Disney Parks). Most aren't bad at all, just not great enough to rush back to, especially if they produce lengthy waits for a bit.
Yup. One and done. And not just for attractions. For dining experiences. They don’t want repeat guests I guess. Space 220, geo82, cake bake, even beak and barrel, they’re all one and done for a lot of people. Once you’ve seen it you’ve seen it. The food/ drink is not excellent enough to warrant repeat visits given the prices. IMO anyway.
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
I personally like Space 220 and GEO 82 quite a bit.
And have been to Space several times since it opened.

Beak n’ Barrel is a fun jaunt.
Worth experiencing, and experiencing again with friends.

Oga’s on the other hand…..and I love ‘Star Wars’…..
Only twice.

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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
With a show like ITTBAB, that was frightening for many to the point they felt they needed a new show, I don't understand why they don't just alternate showings of two shows/levels, like "Friendly and Frightful" or "Cuddly and Creepy." Isn't that the benefit of a movie theater, the flexibility? Let guests decide what's right for their family, and they can discuss/aspire to face the more frightening challenge on some future visit.
To be fair, we took both my daughter and niece to this when they were 3. It was a mistake to take my niece, 100%. But that was our fault (well, her mother's fault..lol) and not on Disney.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Disney is typically really good with attraction pacing, whereas bad pacing remains one of Universal's biggest flaws in attraction design. This actually might be the first time where the pacing is true Universal style, just straight into frenetic chaos the entire time and never easing off.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
1998 has nothing to do with a quality attraction. Thats also the year og imagination closed to be replaced with corporate slop on a shoestring budget.

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Not to mention, when Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management opened, so yeah, you’re def right on that. I think it’s a combination of corporate demands, who’s been put in charge of it, budget and what the imagineers are capable of doing with said project alongside the corporate demands & budget.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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1998 has nothing to do with a quality attraction. Thats also the year og imagination closed to be replaced with corporate slop on a shoestring budget.

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Oh yeah, btw, something I thought I might point out about both Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management & Journey Into >Your Imagination/With Figment. Oddly similar signage design philosophy. Lol :
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
Also, the same year Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride closed for The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Will never quite understand, since that attraction featured two tracks, why they didn’t just keep Toad on one and have the other Pooh. Both certainly fit the theme of Fantasyland. Oh well.. tying this back to the topic at hand though, makes you question why they didn’t just feature both ITTBAB & ZTBZG (and possibly more) shows on rotation, like say a new, original show that tied directly into the park & tree’s core themes, which would’ve significantly lessened the blowback this has gotten otherwise. Granted, ZTBZG itself still would’ve stunk and gotten pushback as-is, but atleast it wouldn’t have completely destroyed the Tree of Life’s story and effected the cohesion of the park had it been implemented in the fashion I suggested to begin with, as part of a refreshed ‘Tree of Life Theatre’ (what it’s called both on the signage and inside), that had more theming inside tied into the outer half to feel more cohesive.
 
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Brer Panther

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"Antonio talks to animals", again, is just not good enough.
Antonio's not even a prominent character in the movie (he's important for, what, two scenes?) and I'm not sure how well Antonio merchandise sells. I'd be shocked if he's actually the main character of the attraction.
Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway could easily be thrown into Fantasyland; it's an elaborate dark ride in the end.
I don't think Runaway Railway would've fit in Fantasyland. It feels too "modern", if that makes any sense.

Like, it takes place in a frantic Flash-animated cartoon and includes locations like a city and an industrial factory. Mickey and Minnie ride around in a modern car. It would feel out of place next to the cottages, enchanted forests, and castles of the other Fantasyland rides.
Sounds like ITTBAB got the Alien Encounter retheme treatment-sanitized and cute and cuddly for all of the little pixie dusters!
To be fair, the only way I can think of that they could've made this attraction as scary as It's Tough to Be a Bug is if Bellwether used the Night Howlers on the predators again, and that would've just made it a bigger rehash of the movie.

At least this attraction has a conflict at all. That's more than you can say for Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
If the scare factor was as big as posters here want to keep bringing it up in ITTAB.. Disney would have reworked the attraction a over a decade ago.. it would have been easy to just dumb down some of the effects and rework like 30seconds of the film. But Disney didn't.. makes me think the scare factor people keep bringing up here is more hype than bite.

If it were such a concern they could have just neutered the stinger and spider effects at the minimum for basically just show programming costs. Editing that part of the film wouldn't even include real modeling and animation.
 

KDM31091

Well-Known Member
...with the negative reception to the Zootopia show swirling around, about now is a good time to distractingly announce that the Liberty Belle is being restored for a new life at the Grand Floridian or Lakeshore Lodge, etc.
They something good and they need it fast. This show is a flop and people are being vocal about it.
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
They something good and they need it fast. This show is a flop and people are being vocal about it.
The only way Disney sees this as a flop is if guests don’t flock to it and there’s no improvement over the original show. They don’t care what the message boards and websites say. They invited the influencers to see it first to ensure they’d get positive reviews out there right away.

@wdwmagic, thank you for posting an honest and fair review. You don’t see that too often from other sites.
 

Comped

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With how "uneven" Imagineering has been recently it really makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes. Was this an old project from before the Bruce days and they were forced to roll it out despite it being objectively terrible? Same with Cars Land, etc. Were these forced upon Bruce? Or is Imagineering/Bruce still laughably incompetent as a whole but with a few people who still know what they're doing? There have been a few recent pretty solid additions (such as Test Track and Astro Fizz), but also a lot of dumb/embarrassing/head scratching additions that make no sense and should have never gotten out of early development. Someone had to have realized how dumb and terrible this show was, right???
Cars Land has been a want back east since it opened at DCA (particularly at DHS), but DCA successfully resisted. The MK version is a way to get around it (even if, IMO, the original would fit wonderfully where RNRC is and be way less impactful on guest experience). Long before the current WDI regime, and certainly a want in the upper levels of WDW park management, at least at DHS - no idea how MK got it in the end, but that's something I'm sure we'll learn with time.
it seems a trend is forming where Disney is no longer aiming for general audiences and universal appeal and instead making attractions for individual age groups. This one being laser-focused on kids. (like Tiana) Why would Disney purposefully limit the appeal? Shouldn't a show be designed for everyone?
Films have almost always been designed for as wide of an audience as possible (going all the way back to DL's and the Expos' films). This is certainly designed for a much smaller audience (families with young children), probably to address the fact that there isn't much for the young set to do at AK ride/show wise. Not a fan, but I can see the point if it was executed well enough - the problem was that it wasn't.

Live entertainment is a different topic - one of the few things Disney has been (relatively) consistent at is keeping their stage shows (and related efforts) with a very wide base. Biggest show that didn't was the Barbie show at Epcot - and that was because it turned out to be far more popular with the fathers and older brothers of the young girls who wanted to watch the show than the girls themselves! But what do you expect when you add a swimsuit segment essentially (depending on who you ask), either on a bet, because an exec wanted it, or because you needed to make the show longer? Although not the same medium, it's the same idea here - if it's based around a series of choices only young kids will like (fast paced, "Tik-Tok" style editing, thin plot, and a weirdly bolted on resolution), that's what happens unless something unexpected is added on to it... We didn't even get anything unexpected (except how bad it is)!
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
Cars Land has been a want back east since it opened at DCA (particularly at DHS), but DCA successfully resisted. The MK version is a way to get around it (even if, IMO, the original would fit wonderfully where RNRC is and be way less impactful on guest experience). Long before the current WDI regime, and certainly a want in the upper levels of WDW park management, at least at DHS - no idea how MK got it in the end, but that's something I'm sure we'll learn with time.

Films have almost always been designed for as wide of an audience as possible (going all the way back to DL's and the Expos' films). This is certainly designed for a much smaller audience (families with young children), probably to address the fact that there isn't much for the young set to do at AK ride/show wise. Not a fan, but I can see the point if it was executed well enough - the problem was that it wasn't.
I’m hearing this a lot but I’d argue DAK is just flat out lacking attractions period, not just for the younger set. Of what’s left, only three current attractions have a height requirement, making DAK far more family friendly than DHS for example. And you can argue that shows like this should also be accessible to older guests who also can’t/won’t ride the thrill rides.

Clearly the goal here was “make something that doesn’t scare the kids”. Fair enough, but it was still possible to make something interesting to all, even using Zootopia. They just dumbed this down to a point that only young kids will tolerate it more than once.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
This is certainly designed for a much smaller audience (families with young children), probably to address the fact that there isn't much for the young set to do at AK ride/show wise
wut?

Small childern are excluded from the headliners due to height requirements, but the park is packed with activities for all ages. If you are under <45" - being excluded from anchor rides is more the norm, than the exception. No the park doesn't have a flat ride section of kiddie rides, but has amble other activities.
 

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