MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mickEblu]

Yep! All the parks are going to be very different in the future. And frankly I think that’s good… gives me more reason to visit them.

Disneyland will remain the best and my special home base of Disney, and the rest a fun adventure to get a different experience.

Yeah I guess it alls about perspective and what your home park is. If you are TDR local who grew up with the park you may not like that the Jungle Cruise is going away. Someone like me, who lives by the original at Disneyland and may only go to TDR one time in my life, I may as well see something different.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

Cars and Villains isn’t the beyond project. Beyond is something that still could happen.

I'm still so confused by all this. I'm surprised there still doesn't seem to a consensus on the approximate total size of the Cars and Villains development. If the RoA area is about 14 acres and it's the only space being used, that would make Villains quite small (even if Cars is only 3-4 acres). But if they're using space beyond the railroad tracks / "berm," Villains could be quite large. The former seems to be where insiders/experts are pointing, but the latter aligns with Disney's description of the scale. Perhaps only show buildings will be outside the railroad tracks?

Apologies if I missed a definitive analysis of this someplace.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But if they're using space beyond the railroad tracks / "berm," Villains could be quite large.

I don’t think that is possible at this time. Everything is within the railroad right of way.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I'm still so confused by all this. I'm surprised there still doesn't seem to a consensus on the approximate total size of the Cars and Villains development. If the RoA area is about 14 acres and it's the only space being used, that would make Villains quite small (even if Cars is only 3-4 acres). But if they're using space beyond the railroad tracks / "berm," Villains could be quite large. The former seems to be where insiders/experts are pointing, but the latter aligns with Disney's description of the scale. Perhaps only show buildings will be outside the railroad tracks?

Apologies if I missed a definitive analysis of this someplace.

We have no idea what we are going to get until the new lands open. There could be various changes and scope cuts, especially with Villains since its so far off in the future.

Look at what happened to the EPCOT renovation . Unforeseen events greatly lessened this renovation since it was first announced in 2016.

 

[jah4955]

We have no idea what we are going to get until the new lands open. There could be various changes and scope cuts, especially with Villains since its so far off in the future.

Look at what happened to the EPCOT renovation . Unforeseen events greatly lessened this renovation since it was first announced in 2016.

Hopefully they "learned their lesson" from the EPCOT fiasco and will make sure they do this "right?" (I'm was laughing at myself while typing this )

 

[JD80]

I'm still so confused by all this. I'm surprised there still doesn't seem to a consensus on the approximate total size of the Cars and Villains development. If the RoA area is about 14 acres and it's the only space being used, that would make Villains quite small (even if Cars is only 3-4 acres). But if they're using space beyond the railroad tracks / "berm," Villains could be quite large. The former seems to be where insiders/experts are pointing, but the latter aligns with Disney's description of the scale. Perhaps only show buildings will be outside the railroad tracks?

Apologies if I missed a definitive analysis of this someplace.

Villains and Piston Peak will be all within the current railroad tracks in the area that is the ROA now and whatever other land they can borrow.

The speculation comes in with the $billion dollar investment over 10 years with the parks. We currently see an outlay of about half that in the first part of those 10 years. Many are speculating there is more to come in the back half after villains in that 10 year outlay.

Generally speaking this is probably going to be the Animation Courtyard expansion, MK Hotel + Beyond. Then whatever rumors you want to believe about AK/Epcot.

I suspect Tomorrowland is in there as a slow burn of additions.

 

[James Alucobond]

The speculation comes in with the $billion dollar investment over 10 years with the parks. We currently see an outlay of about half that in the first part of those 10 years. Many are speculating there is more to come in the back half after villains in that 10 year outlay.

Generally speaking this is probably going to be the Animation Courtyard expansion, MK Hotel + Beyond. Then whatever rumors you want to believe about AK/Epcot.

I suspect Tomorrowland is in there as a slow burn of additions.

I would think the current Animation Courtyard touchups are the only thing happening there during this investment cycle. To me, Echo Lake would be the only other “big” area that could end up getting touched by that money in HS, though I think smaller additions to Galaxy’s Edge or perhaps stage show replacements (B&B, Frozen, Villains, etc.) are more realistic.

I feel a return to EPCOT, the potential MK hotel + secondary entrance, and Tomorrowland are the most likely candidates in terms of producing announcement firepower for the back end of this investment, assuming they stay the course. I expect anything else to be more isolated (as in one attraction at a time).

 

[HMF]

Hopefully they "learned their lesson" from the EPCOT fiasco and will make sure they do this "right?" (I'm was laughing at myself while typing this )

I would sum up how they feel about EPCOT's re-design as "Chapek's doing" until Iger came back on his white horse and "Saved the kingdom" again and we are unfortunately stuck with it until we get the funds to re-do it again maybe in 20 years.

 

[HMF]

Conversely, I feel AA is much more "safe."

AA is probably "safer" but the trend in World Showcase in recent years has been moving away from actual culture and history in favor of fictionalized animated attractions that are somehow tangentially related to that culture and history.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

I don’t think that is possible at this time. Everything is within the railroad right of way.

Villains and Piston Peak will be all within the current railroad tracks in the area that is the ROA now and whatever other land they can borrow.

How strange… So we’ve established that, since Cars will take up at least 3-4 acres, all of Villains Land—including the entire dark ride show building and the entire roller coaster—will be like 9-11 acres? I hope there’s space left to walk. So much for “an incredibly twisted grand scale that only Disney can deliver”!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Pandora at DAK is 12 acres. There’s certainly space for 2 rides and some decorations.

 

[James Alucobond]

How strange… So we’ve established that, since Cars will take up at least 3-4 acres, all of Villains Land—including the entire dark ride show building and the entire roller coaster—will be like 9-11 acres? I hope there’s space left to walk. So much for “an incredibly twisted grand scale that only Disney can deliver”!

11 acres isn’t small and is similar to many classic lands. The worry is that they often don’t utilize that amount of space well currently (see: Toy Story Land).

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

Pandora at DAK is 12 acres. There’s certainly space for 2 rides and some decorations.

11 acres isn’t small and is similar to many classic lands. The worry is that they often don’t utilize that amount of space well currently (see: Toy Story Land).

Maybe I gave the “grand scale only Disney can deliver” hype too much credence, alongside the idea that this was the major component of Disney’s response to EU.

All that made me think of it meeting or exceeding Galaxy’s Edge’s scale, rather than being TSL’s size at most (or substantially smaller).

On the other hand, as you’ve both noted, they’ve done quality work at something approaching this scale (and as I mentioned previously, the original Hogsmeade—if you don’t count the Dragon Challenge area—was even smaller).

 

[MisterPenguin]

1. The two "lands" are supposed to be as large as SWL, which is 14 acres.

2. All the land available within the train track is 14 acres.

3. So....

4. Now, is it possible they can go past the train-berm? Yes. But they have to put in new permits for that. The lay-down yard is only designated as lay-down yard and very specifically, as asked by the power that be... "Are you sure it's not for 'entertainment'?" And Disney said, 'no.'

5. It most certainly could be and eventually will be for entertainment. Just needs a new permit, which under the current district detente, would be granted.

6. So... who knows.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

How strange… So we’ve established that, since Cars will take up at least 3-4 acres, all of Villains Land—including the entire dark ride show building and the entire roller coaster—will be like 9-11 acres? I hope there’s space left to walk. So much for “an incredibly twisted grand scale that only Disney can deliver”!

E-Ticket dark ride, coaster (here using the new multi launch spiderman coaster as example), plus at least one "spinner", dining, retail, ECT can all fit no issue

 

[Nickm2022]

E-Ticket dark ride, coaster (here using the new multi launch spiderman coaster as example), plus at least one "spinner", dining, retail, ECT can all fit no issue

Completely agree with everything he said

 

[Tha Realest]

I suspect Tomorrowland is in there as a slow burn of additions.

Define “additions”

 

[Tha Realest]

How strange… So we’ve established that, since Cars will take up at least 3-4 acres, all of Villains Land—including the entire dark ride show building and the entire roller coaster—will be like 9-11 acres? I hope there’s space left to walk. So much for “an incredibly twisted grand scale that only Disney can deliver”!

This far they’ve promised multiple attractions for each Cars “area” and Villains Land. We‘ll see how they deliver. Already some are tapering that additional, non-E-ticket attraction to a spinner.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Already some are tapering that additional,

Tapering based on what info?

We know nothing of the secondary rides in each land. That I know of.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

E-Ticket dark ride, coaster (here using the new multi launch spiderman coaster as example), plus at least one "spinner", dining, retail, ECT can all fit no issue

I have no doubt the expected attractions can fit in a relatively small footprint. The question is whether that footprint allows for “a grand scale that only Disney can deliver” and the presumptive centerpiece of Disney’s response to EU, etc.

That said, a compelling land can absolutely be built in a relatively small footprint. Yet another example is Mysterious Island at DisneySea. We just have to temper any size expectations derived from Disney’s claims about “grand scale.”