MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

This is not to say they should not build new things at MK. They absolutely should. But they need to stop taking one step backwards first every time they do.

Not saying this is the perfect idea….

But if they had done a true beyond without removing the River and island… they could have plussed both the island and the boat so they were more popular. maybe even add a second boat that was Villians themed? Who knows.

But yes…. Use the existing space better PLUS expand.

 

[monothingie]

I always assumed they eliminated Character LLs in an attempt to get more people into character meals.

Have they hit the baseline $70 per person character meals yet?

 

[Purduevian]

Have they hit the baseline $70 per person character meals yet?

for dinner
CRT is $88++ per adult...

 

[flynnibus]

It's a question with an open ended answer because circumstances are different. Disney eliminated LL on character M&G, a popular but low throughput attraction, but kept it for Philharmagic a not popular but high throughput attraction.

I'm not asking why Disney choses to have LL or not - you made the conclusion these attractions "were not able to be monetized with LL" to which you further said because doing so wouldn't make an impact on revenue. Ok, so come clean, why wouldn't these attractions be able to contribute with LL?

It's because what you know but won't say... Because they don't have enough demand and guest load to justify anyone paying for the privilege to use LL with them.

They couldn't be monetized because there was no excess guest demand for them. Disney could have added LL - but as you mention, it wouldn't drive any new revenue, because LL on a ride with virtually no wait is pointless, and guests know that.

The attractions were not creating guest demand at sufficient levels - hence they were eye'd for redevelopment.

 

[flynnibus]

This is not to say they should not build new things at MK. They absolutely should. But they need to stop taking one step backwards first every time they do.

Well, opening attractions that can actually run open to close and a good 50% more of the day is a good example of getting more than one step forward.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Ok, so come clean, why wouldn't these attractions be able to contribute with LL?

They could technically but they both have a unique issue - they were designed to be relatively low capacity. So if you increase the popularity to sell LL’s you fix one problem but create another.

Disney still occasionally creates low capacity filler attractions - Vacation Shorts being the most recent example I can think of.

Kinda surprised they didn’t limit the number of Villians performances to reduce cast costs and sell LL’s

 

[BrianLo]

Well, opening attractions that can actually run open to close and a good 50% more of the day is a good example of getting more than one step forward.

It’s two steps forward, I certainly agree. But I appreciate the frustration. The original proposal from 2022 might have added double the capacity to the park then what we are getting. Enough that it might have actually induced less demand than capacity it added.

 

[Purduevian]

They could technically but they both have a unique issue - they were designed to be relatively low capacity. So if you increase the popularity to sell LL’s you fix one problem but create another.

Disney still occasionally creates low capacity filler attractions - Vacation Shorts being the most recent example I can think of.

Kinda surprised they didn’t limit the number of Villians performances to reduce cast costs and sell LL’s

Vacation fun isn't low capacity... theater is ~250 people and the show can run at least 4 times an hour. It is certainly a filler attraction, but it's not Riverboat or TSI bad...

 

[monothingie]

It's because what you know but won't say... Because they don't have enough demand and guest load to justify anyone paying for the privilege to use LL with them.

Umm that was kind of implied. I was kind of wondering why you posted so many responses to get the exact point made in my OP. Good job!

 

[Incomudro]

So you want to keep the RoA just as a backdrop?

Should closed shops not be replaced for the same reason?

Let’s keep the fry cart wagon… it’s about the asthetics…

The river and the boat?
Absolutely.
You're seriously going to make a comparison of that to a fry cart?

 

[flynnibus]

They could technically but they both have a unique issue - they were designed to be relatively low capacity. So if you increase the popularity to sell LL’s you fix one problem but create another.

It's something that would actually increase the value of the LL - if there was an actual demand for it. But...

Kinda surprised they didn’t limit the number of Villians performances to reduce cast costs and sell LL’s

As evil as some people think Disney is... I think even they knew the limited value of that show

 

[flynnibus]

The river and the boat?
Absolutely.

Well, you and the faithful can die on that hill.. but Disney already moved on.

Anyone look at how well keeping that paddlewheeler at Disney Springs has done for setting tone and setting?

Sometimes you just gotta rip the bandaid off if you're not going to be committed to the end game.

 

[FettFan]

Super fans would rather have coco than cars - im certain of that.

Even then, if they were to save the lower island of TSI and have the Belle run a circular route around it, as imagined by Eddie Sotto on his Twitter, while filling in the northern RoA, this project would be a much easier pill to swallow.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Even then, if they were to save the lower island of TSI and have the Belle run a circular route around it, as imagined by Eddie Sotto on his Twitter, while filling in the northern RoA, this project would be a much easier pill to swallow.

Yes, that would have been the best case scenario. Next best would be to keep the riverboat running AND the whole redevelopment of the island.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Yes, that would have been the best case scenario. Next best would be to keep the riverboat running AND the whole redevelopment of the island.

Genuine question but what do you redevelop the island as? Tom Sawyer is not working, kids these days barely know the story.

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

Tom Sawyer is not working, kids these days barely know the story.

I can affirm, Tom Sawyer is closer to being in a history book/discussed in history classes about old pop culture in America than being an actual book and IP, along with Davy Crockett and others

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Genuine question but what do you redevelop the island as? Tom Sawyer is not working, kids these days barely know the story.

By “redevelop” I meant with an IP like cars or coco - fully repurpose the space but keep the riverboat operating.

Making the island more popular is a bit more tricky cause you don’t want to make it too popular.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

By “redevelop” I meant with an IP like cars or coco - fully repurpose the space but keep the riverboat operating.

Making the island more popular is a bit more tricky cause you don’t want to make it too popular.

Coco Island? Cars island? So it’s not about the IP to clarify, it’s about the river itself. You also take away and butcher the actual identity of the IP with this as neither of them have any relation to an island, and no matter what you do, it’s not going to be popular because you have to wait in line to get the chance to go to a playground

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Coco Island? Cars island? So it’s not about the IP to clarify, it’s about the river itself. You also take away and butcher the actual identity of the IP with this as neither of them have any relation to an island, and no matter what you do, it’s not going to be popular because you have to wait in line to get the chance to go to a playground

Sorry…. I’m not making myself clear. It really wouldn’t be an “island” anymore.

Best case scenario (if all of ROA couldn’t be saved) -

Keep the smaller island and the boat runs the circle. This keeps the mills, 2 caves, and the riverboat running. Pretty close to a win win.

Next best scenario -

Redevelop the entire ROA but in such a way the riverboat still operates.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Sorry…. I’m not making myself clear. It really wouldn’t be an “island” anymore.

Best case scenario (if all of ROA couldn’t be saved) -

Keep the smaller island and the boat runs the circle. This keeps the mills, 2 caves, and the riverboat running. Pretty close to a win win.

Next best scenario -

Redevelop the entire ROA but in such a way the riverboat still operates.

I see, that makes much more sense. I think the current plan would work well if they go through with the water but I think the perfect plan would have been to park the Riverboat up near Tiana's perhaps with a small shop + Tiana meet and greet location?

Atleast that's how I would have done it if it were up to me.