Purduevian
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That would make sense! BOG lunch was great... only did it once but it was a highlight. Haven't been back for pre fixe
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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Horizons '83
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phillip9698
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I’m very interested to see and hear about the actual impact of removing this river by people other than highly influential bloggers and locals, in other words the common guests.
From my observations the river in the MK wasn’t really appreciated as much as it is at other parks. Pretty much any open space bordering that river would be used as stroller parking, so you couldn’t really sit near it and enjoy the view.
When walking in the areas the river physically impacts the most, you would hear guests groaning that they have to walk “all the way around this water” when leaving BTMR, Splash, and HM.
I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me but I have heard it said that the MK is a more destination park than it is local. Meaning these people are there to crank out rides more-so than guests at Disneyland. And people looking to maximize rides aren’t taking the time to soak in the atmosphere and spend time taking it slow. Many of the atmospheric and smaller story telling aspects of the park are more appreciated on a 5th, 6th, 7th visit or someone local who is there quite frequently. Is Orlando management catering to those very frequent visitors or are they trying to maximize revenue from the once every 5-10 year crowd. I think it’s the latter.
For example, I have been to Epcot 8 times in the last 12 years. Me and my wife never went deep into the pavilions until our 5th visit when we had already rode most of everything numerous times in the past and we came without our kids. We have a trip planned now but with our kids again, and we are not planning on going back deep into those pavilions if there isn’t a ride. And trust me we aren’t alone, you go back into the Moroccan and Chinese pavilions and nobody is back there, definetly no children. They even put those kids passport things back there, and still little traffic.
Now im not saying get rid of the Moroccan pavilion, what I’m saying is in the MK, where developed space is a premium, they probably don’t want a footprint as big as that river being so underutilized especially when guests there don’t value it.
From my observations the river in the MK wasn’t really appreciated as much as it is at other parks. Pretty much any open space bordering that river would be used as stroller parking, so you couldn’t really sit near it and enjoy the view.
When walking in the areas the river physically impacts the most, you would hear guests groaning that they have to walk “all the way around this water” when leaving BTMR, Splash, and HM.
I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me but I have heard it said that the MK is a more destination park than it is local. Meaning these people are there to crank out rides more-so than guests at Disneyland. And people looking to maximize rides aren’t taking the time to soak in the atmosphere and spend time taking it slow. Many of the atmospheric and smaller story telling aspects of the park are more appreciated on a 5th, 6th, 7th visit or someone local who is there quite frequently. Is Orlando management catering to those very frequent visitors or are they trying to maximize revenue from the once every 5-10 year crowd. I think it’s the latter.
For example, I have been to Epcot 8 times in the last 12 years. Me and my wife never went deep into the pavilions until our 5th visit when we had already rode most of everything numerous times in the past and we came without our kids. We have a trip planned now but with our kids again, and we are not planning on going back deep into those pavilions if there isn’t a ride. And trust me we aren’t alone, you go back into the Moroccan and Chinese pavilions and nobody is back there, definetly no children. They even put those kids passport things back there, and still little traffic.
Now im not saying get rid of the Moroccan pavilion, what I’m saying is in the MK, where developed space is a premium, they probably don’t want a footprint as big as that river being so underutilized especially when guests there don’t value it.
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SamusAranX
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Once again creating a position no one here is advocating for.
You’re killing a lot of sea turtles with all the straw you seem to throw out there
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…only because it’s a day ending in “Y”
DisneyHead123
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Really? I still think Josh is next in line for Iger’s position, provided he can handle all the internal politics that are going to be intense in any high profile job like that. My theory is still that Chapek was supposed to be a protege but ended up wanting to do his own thing, so Josh is being trained prior to being moved into a CEO role, not after.
rd805
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Josh gets a lot of hate from the mega-fans, but seemingly is the best case scenario for the position IMO.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The parks guy has zero power, zero real experience in entertainment…and serves as a public shield for the operation to the highest spending, most dedicated, easy to set off segment of fandom they depend on (except maybe Star Wars fans…but I’m not opening that can)…
They also conveniently are never “ready”……which would serve a dictator with no intention of leaving.
Let’s just watch it play?
flynnibus
Premium Member
So what is different between an attraction with LL that you assume will have an impact on revenue.. and one that won't?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I just googled/groked “best case scenario”…and no…he didn’t come up
It served two semi transparent agendas
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
At the current prices…probably one where they enslave your children to make the stuff for the giftshops?
…I better apply for a patent before somebody catches that idea.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m neither. The loss of the riverboat is the part that is unforgivable- just like the fountain of nations at Epcot.
But I’m guessing you have a reason my opinion doesn’t count.
DisneyHead123
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Sounds good. My money is still on Josh, if not for CEO then in something like a co-leadership role.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You might be right and it certainly serves the power “agenda”
But it’s a disastrous move. We’ve seen this play before
It's a question with an open ended answer because circumstances are different. Disney eliminated LL on character M&G, a popular but low throughput attraction, but kept it for Philharmagic a not popular but high throughput attraction.
LL Revenue is in the hundreds of millions of dollars. LL Revenue is a key component of future attraction development. TSI and LB had high operating cost and never going to contribute to LL revenue. It was only after the success of LL for OI that nothing that could be repurposed for more profitable attractions, regardless of it could remain, became safe in the parks.
Purduevian
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I always assumed they eliminated Character LLs in an attempt to get more people into character meals.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think it’s a factor
Also…long lines for characters keep people away from cash registers elsewhere
They try to fence post sit on somethings…still
Truth is they never want people in a 90 minute line…they want them to think about the line and book the skip…and the posted wait reinforces that behavior that gets them free money.
Nothing has changed since fast pass…lines are a loss. They lose money on so many fronts it’s hard to quantify fully.
But now the geniuses are trying to take double the problems and make four Times the money
BrianLo
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That’s not how that math works out. Every new guest needs to be able to get on at least 8 attractions, which was the historical barometer Eisner had utilized as what constituted a good day. I’d argue that’s soft and 10 would be better, but we’ll go with 8.
In your proposal, Cars can allow 1050 extra guests a day (8400/8). Or a little under 400k a year. Given Pandora increased DAK attendance by 3 million, it’s probable Cars on its own will induce way more demand than it adds capacity.
Villains will likely be better and accommodate another 1.5M-2M guests annually (in a truly perfect evenly distributed visiting pattern). But I think it’s questionable if even that is enough to keep up with the sheer demand boost it will cause.
This is not to say they should not build new things at MK. They absolutely should. But they need to stop taking one step backwards first every time they do.
FigmentFan82
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Question I’m not sure I’ve seen been brought up, I think others have speculated that Villains Land may have some food options, but has there been any rumor or information on if there may be some type of food options for the Cars area?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Replacements are a pricing tactic…it really shouldn’t be doubted after 15 years of it…
But up is down in the magic kingdom