MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
The boat and the island did not “move thousands+ per hour” Not even close. And they were massively underutilized.
Underutilized. Keep hearing that like it’s a bad thing.

You don’t need everything to be at full capacity. In fact, you shouldn’t even want that. That just makes for a bad experience.

RoA is the focal point of Frontierland. It’s the glue that keeps that land together. Aesthetically. Thematically. Sightlines. Etc. You can make the argument it does the same for liberty square. Replacing with a mini land that has an attraction and a long queue is just a horrible trade. It didn’t need to be this way.
 

peter11435

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Underutilized. Keep hearing that like it’s a bad thing.

You don’t need everything to be at full capacity. In fact, you shouldn’t even want that. That just makes for a bad experience.

RoA is the focal point of Frontierland. It’s the glue that keeps that land together. Aesthetically. Thematically. Sightlines. Etc. You can make the argument it does the same for liberty square. Replacing with a mini land that has an attraction and a long queue is just a horrible trade. It didn’t need to be this way.
But it is a bad thing.

If you’re paying to maintain and operate an attraction that can accommodate 1000 guests per hour but only 300 guests per hour actually experience it, that is a problem. Even with no wait guests largely are not interested.

Utilization is not the same as wait time. I’m not saying every atttaction should have a long wait. Parks need attractions with no/low waits. Long waits develop when demand exceeds capacity. Ideally capacity should meet demand. But demand being a small fraction of capacity is a problem.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
But it is a bad thing.

If you’re paying to maintain and operate an attraction that can accommodate 1000 guests per hour but only 300 guests per hour actually experience it, that is a problem. Even with no wait guests largely are not interested.

Utilization is not the same as wait time. I’m not saying every atttaction should have a long wait. Parks need attractions with no/low waits. Long waits develop when demand exceeds capacity. Ideally capacity should meet demand. But demand being a small fraction of capacity is a problem.
A problem for who? And does 300 even count the riverboat? Where does 300 come from?

And the solution to deal with this so called problem is to tear out the soul of the land that is RoA? Thats their great fix to deal with whatever problem they have decided suddenly now exists?
 

peter11435

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A problem for who? And does 300 even count the riverboat? Where does 300 come from?

And the solution to deal with this so called problem is to tear out the soul of the land that is RoA? Thats their great fix to deal with whatever problem they have decided suddenly now exists?
A problem for Disney. I realize that’s not our problem as guests. But why would you expect any company to spend money on something guests mostly aren’t using.

My 300 guests using a capacity of 1000 was an example. Although it’s actually very close to an accurate representation of the Riverboat.

They didn’t suddenly decide this was a problem. They’ve been looking at this problem for 30 years but never committed the funds to fix it until now.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
A problem for Disney. I realize that’s not our problem as guests. But why would you expect any company to spend money on something guests mostly aren’t using.

My 300 guests using a capacity of 1000 was an example. Although it’s actually very close to an accurate representation of the Riverboat.

They didn’t suddenly decide this was a problem. They’ve been looking at this problem for 30 years but never committed the funds to fix it until now.
And this is supposed to fix this problem, eh? Okay then…bang up job.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
How would it not? Do you think they’re going to build this cars ride and it will cycle around with cars that are more than half empty?

Do you think the villains coaster will end up reducing its hours and number of vehicles and still be sending half empty trains?
I’m sure the cars ride will have long lines just like they want. And we suffer the consequences of Disney choosing not to maintain the integrity of the river. They had choices… to do something different with the area that would not have involved completely destroying the area. But they chose wrong.
 

DisneyHead123

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I’m advocating for it because even if it’s not the most popular attraction, it still has a place in the park. Not every square inch of the park needs to be taken up by an attraction. Some areas could be used more for theming. Disney has been raising prices for years and I sincerely doubt all of those price increases are because of maintenance needed for RoA; or that guests walk by and think that they’re paying for that. Not every square inch of the park needs to be monetized by LLs. And they DO have expansion areas that could have allowed them to keep the river and still gotten cars and villains. This feels like the easier approach and a cop out. Stitch’s Great Escape is just sitting there, why don’t they replace that? Guests are paying for that too but not using it? At least the river offers something visually appealing, unlike an empty building.

Fans would also like more attractions instead of World Showcase Lagoon. And it’ll make more money. Doesn’t that mean they should do it? You still haven’t provided a reason for how Cars fits thematically into Frontierland, just that it makes financial sense. I guess it doesn’t matter as long as it makes money and “fans like it more?” Country Bears is hardly them going out of their way to preserve history, as you previously claimed.

I grew up going to Disney World, not Disneyland. So why should I have to go there? WDW doesn’t deserve to have its own history preserved but instead should be defaced for IPs that don’t belong? Everyone keeps saying they hope this area looms like Grizzly Peak. Why don’t they just go to Disneyland if that’s what they want to see? There should be a balance between preserving pieces of history while also offering new experiences. My enjoyment of the parks isn’t driven by history, but there is something comforting about enjoying attractions and experiences that I grew up enjoying.

They would not have needed to close the river.

But gutting RoA and TSI isn’t a significant infrastructure change?


It’s been said it has been on the chopping block for a while, so it kind of does feel like a they wanted it done and didn’t care what they replaced it with so they settled on an unrelated IP.

Yeah. And I’m not sure RoA and TSI isn’t large enough to make a significant impact in crowds, and if they leave too much space for guest walkways, that’s less space for the attraction. Plus, more attractions means MORE people will be visiting. What j think they should have done instead was add to the other parks or build a fifth gate to try to draw people away from MK.

But that actually is kind of true and what people seem to be saying? People have issued the rational that they had to do this to make it easier to get to Villains. Meaning they are gutting a central part of every castle park in part for a walk way to access something else.

It’s hard to actually tell that. In the first one, it looks like the entire area, except for the side by HM is the ride. That fun map is hard to tell what’s ride and what’s walkway. And this has potential to end up like Pandora, where the queue extends out into the land itself adding the sense of feeling cramped instead of actually relieving it.

To me Adventureland feels cramped. If they’d get rid of magic carpets that might help.


I think it’s going to be bad, but the average park guest won’t care, which is why they’re doing it. I was walking around Pandora yesterday, probably spending more time actually taking it in than I have in a while (or ever) and if this area came close to this, it might be okay. The foliage is beautiful and there’s a few waterfalls and other water features and provide a sort of calming vibe. But there’s just no indicator from the concept art that it actually will look like that, and the ambience will be partly ruined by the sound of cars. Even though they claim this is meant to feel like a national park. And it won’t make up for what’s being lost.

Yeah, and I think a big part of Pandora is being able to walk through it. This will largely be a blocked off area for a ride so any visuals will be viewed from a distance.
 

peter11435

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I’m sure the cars ride will have long lines just like they want. And we suffer the consequences of Disney choosing not to maintain the integrity of the river. They had choices to do something different with the area that would not have involved completely destroying the area. But they chose wrong.
Their goal isn’t long lines
 

AidenRodriguez731

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No, the best way to deal with lost capacity is to fill it in and not induce additional demand.

The Skipper’s Canteen did not use the entire Adventureland Verandah space. It is also a table service. With the same square footage, a table service restaurant has ½ - ⅓ the hourly capacity of a quick service venue, something you should know if you’re telling us what is and is not with capacities.
So you want to fill it in with nothing? Are you hearing yourself?

Cars isn't going to create some mass demand, but will create a ton of capacity. It's going to pull people already at the park through the park. Villians may create some additional demand but that can easily be handled through 4 decent capacity attractions. Not even referring to if they end up with a Villians show or quick service eatery.

Sure a table service has some capacity loss from a quick service but between the rising food cart amount and possible new quick service(s?) + maybe table who knows? I think we'll be fine. Like I said, there is no huge food capacity problem. Mobile ordering gives you your food in like literally 5 minutes. Incentivizing mobile ordering is one way that Disney has created "capacity" by having people wait outside of the lines + buildings instead of filling up the area and overwhelming the staff. It allows for a good balance between not having as much capacity in the actual restaraunts but having a growing market of people who are often there to try 1 snack that could be completely out of line and handed a snack easily.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
So you want to fill it in with nothing? Are you hearing yourself?

Cars isn't going to create some mass demand, but will create a ton of capacity. It's going to pull people already at the park through the park. Villians may create some additional demand but that can easily be handled through 4 decent capacity attractions. Not even referring to if they end up with a Villians show or quick service eatery.

Sure a table service has some capacity loss from a quick service but between the rising food cart amount and possible new quick service(s?) + maybe table who knows? I think we'll be fine. Like I said, there is no huge food capacity problem. Mobile ordering gives you your food in like literally 5 minutes. Incentivizing mobile ordering is one way that Disney has created "capacity" by having people wait outside of the lines + buildings instead of filling up the area and overwhelming the staff. It allows for a good balance between not having as much capacity in the actual restaraunts but having a growing market of people who are often there to try 1 snack that could be completely out of line and handed a snack easily.
Mobile ordering is one of the best ideas Disney had in a long time.
 

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Stitch has been empty for YEARS. The fact that that is still empty but they’re paving over RoA, an area that people probably didn’t actually complain about despite what people say in here, is actually embarrassing. Tomorrowland deserved a reimagining way before Frontierland needed one.
I don't think Cars Piston Peak would fit in the Stitch building.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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I'm sure everyone was saying the same thing back when it first closed in 2018 (I think?). And in 2019. And in 2020. And in 2021. And in 2022.

You can see where I'm going here, right?
At this point, I would just replace Stich with... Stitch? and make it a better show. First off, scrap the chilli dogs, if you need a smell make it bubblegum as a funny nod to how people said they don't sell gum in the parks for a reason.
 

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