MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TheMaxRebo]

But gutting RoA and TSI isn’t a significant infrastructure change?

It is, that is what I am talking about - whatever way to get to where Villains Land would require infrastructure changes - such as removing the river.bit also could have been done by keeping part of the river but getting pathways in there or coming from the other way and getting rid of Small World or something

There is no way to get to where Villainsland is going without some sort of infrastructure - the elected the option of removing the river and replacing with additional new attractions as the infrastructure change to make

 

[monothingie]

I think it’s pretty clear I was referring to the boat and island. This is after all the cars thread.

It wasn’t. But you can always backpedal on it. I forgive you.

 

[monothingie]

Exactly what part?

You do realize that’s why Disney world exists right?

Yes, and the guest reaction to the past decade of this type management and changes to the parks is not all the reason why they have empty hotels, restaurants, shops, and parks.

Gotta keep those quarterly reports positive, so that Wall Street rewards them.

 

[peter11435]

It wasn’t. But you can always backpedal on it. I forgive you.

It wasn’t what?

The title of the thread is

Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom​

I was pretty clearly talking about the boat and island in every post. I never mentioned muppets. The comment I made about replacement plans under Eisner was also clearly referencing the boat and the island.

 

[monothingie]

It wasn’t what?

The title of the thread is

Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom​

I was pretty clearly talking about the boat and island in every post. I never mentioned muppets. The comment I made about replacement plans under Eisner was also clearly referencing the boat and the hop.

Good thing you posted that I thought I was in the Star Wars galaxy‘s edge thread.

 

[peter11435]

Good thing you posted that I thought I was in the Star Wars galaxy‘s edge thread.

It sure seems that way. I’m honestly not sure why you ever thought I was talking about Muppets.

 

[monothingie]

It sure seems that way. I’m honestly not sure why you ever thought I was talking about Muppets.

I don’t know, we were talking about iconic Disney attractions that have been removed to the outrage of loyal Parks fans. And you indicated there were plans to remove multiple underperforming attractions for decades.

So…

IF I misinterpreted that then that’s on me.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Oh my gosh, I’d forgotten about Project Gemini.

I do think, if done well, a suspended coaster going around the Land area could have been cool, but yeah, overall a big positive we didn't get all of Gemeni

 

[peter11435]

I don’t know, we were talking about iconic Disney attractions that have been removed to the outrage of loyal Parks fans. And you indicated there were plans to remove multiple underperforming attractions for decades.

So…

IF misinterpreted that then that’s on me.

I said

The first plans I saw to remove the island and riverboat were created while Eisner was still CEO. Long before anyone planned to monetize LL.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Calling them some of the most iconic attractions in the park is more than a little bit hyperbolic.

The Riverboat has indeed been used as a literal icon of Frontierland many times over the years. Even current day at Disneyland.

 

[monothingie]

I said

Between Muppet vision and the liberty Belle these were large capacity attractions that were eliminated because they weren’t capable of generating the additional sweet, sweet lightning Lane revenue.

This started it off.

 

[peter11435]

This started it

Yes. And I quoted that post and specifically referred to the riverboat and island because that is what I was referencing. I never mentioned muppets.

The Eisner era plan for Frontierland was large but nowhere near large enough to extend all the way to MGM Studios

 

[JSchnitz]

Stitch has been empty for YEARS. The fact that that is still empty but they’re paving over RoA, an area that people probably didn’t actually complain about despite what people say in here, is actually embarrassing. Tomorrowland deserved a reimagining way before Frontierland needed one.

This.

 

[Ayla]

I'm crunching the numbers based on generally agreed upon capacity from wayy before this argument, will being incredibly generous to say that ever trip of the riverboat is full to capacity, which I know it's not.

Frontierland is going to be a land of 3 outdoor E tickets, 1 inside show, 1 all age family ride. Are we really pretending that the rafts didn't close during weather? 5 attractions in 1 land is not bad at all. Plus "variety"?? Since when is MK at a shortage of boat rides??? What? Sure it's a different system but at that point, so is both the new systems coming to the area anyway

Splash and BTMRR also close(d) for weather.

 

[Andrew C]

The boat and the island did not “move thousands+ per hour” Not even close. And they were massively underutilized.

Underutilized. Keep hearing that like it’s a bad thing.

You don’t need everything to be at full capacity. In fact, you shouldn’t even want that. That just makes for a bad experience.

RoA is the focal point of Frontierland. It’s the glue that keeps that land together. Aesthetically. Thematically. Sightlines. Etc. You can make the argument it does the same for liberty square. Replacing with a mini land that has an attraction and a long queue is just a horrible trade. It didn’t need to be this way.

 

[peter11435]

Underutilized. Keep hearing that like it’s a bad thing.

You don’t need everything to be at full capacity. In fact, you shouldn’t even want that. That just makes for a bad experience.

RoA is the focal point of Frontierland. It’s the glue that keeps that land together. Aesthetically. Thematically. Sightlines. Etc. You can make the argument it does the same for liberty square. Replacing with a mini land that has an attraction and a long queue is just a horrible trade. It didn’t need to be this way.

But it is a bad thing.

If you’re paying to maintain and operate an attraction that can accommodate 1000 guests per hour but only 300 guests per hour actually experience it, that is a problem. Even with no wait guests largely are not interested.

Utilization is not the same as wait time. I’m not saying every atttaction should have a long wait. Parks need attractions with no/low waits. Long waits develop when demand exceeds capacity. Ideally capacity should meet demand. But demand being a small fraction of capacity is a problem.

 

[Andrew C]

But it is a bad thing.

If you’re paying to maintain and operate an attraction that can accommodate 1000 guests per hour but only 300 guests per hour actually experience it, that is a problem. Even with no wait guests largely are not interested.

Utilization is not the same as wait time. I’m not saying every atttaction should have a long wait. Parks need attractions with no/low waits. Long waits develop when demand exceeds capacity. Ideally capacity should meet demand. But demand being a small fraction of capacity is a problem.

A problem for who? And does 300 even count the riverboat? Where does 300 come from?

And the solution to deal with this so called problem is to tear out the soul of the land that is RoA? Thats their great fix to deal with whatever problem they have decided suddenly now exists?

 

[peter11435]

A problem for who? And does 300 even count the riverboat? Where does 300 come from?

And the solution to deal with this so called problem is to tear out the soul of the land that is RoA? Thats their great fix to deal with whatever problem they have decided suddenly now exists?

A problem for Disney. I realize that’s not our problem as guests. But why would you expect any company to spend money on something guests mostly aren’t using.

My 300 guests using a capacity of 1000 was an example. Although it’s actually very close to an accurate representation of the Riverboat.

They didn’t suddenly decide this was a problem. They’ve been looking at this problem for 30 years but never committed the funds to fix it until now.

 

[Andrew C]

A problem for Disney. I realize that’s not our problem as guests. But why would you expect any company to spend money on something guests mostly aren’t using.

My 300 guests using a capacity of 1000 was an example. Although it’s actually very close to an accurate representation of the Riverboat.

They didn’t suddenly decide this was a problem. They’ve been looking at this problem for 30 years but never committed the funds to fix it until now.

And this is supposed to fix this problem, eh? Okay then…bang up job.

 

[peter11435]

And this is supposed to fix this problem, eh? Okay then…bang up job.

How would it not? Do you think they’re going to build this cars ride and it will cycle around with cars that are more than half empty?

Do you think the villains coaster will end up reducing its hours and number of vehicles and still be sending half empty trains?