MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Casper Gutman]

Those spaces looked empty because people couldn't utilize them. By opening up space that couldn't be utilized for people to walk and rest in, people will be more spread out and the park will feel less crowded.

Nope. The new attractions will increase crowds and the loss of any sense of openness will make the increased crowds FEEL even more oppressive.

I already find MK unpleasantly tight and packed in with both people and structures. Entering the RoA area gave a palpable sense of relief. That area will now become as oppressive as Adventureland - arguably more so because HM, Splash, Thunder, and now Piston all TOWER in a way structures in Adventure don’t. Tomorrowland is now the most open spot in the MK despite the placement of the idiotic stage.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I've proposed several times on these boards over the years to raze IaSW to get to the beyond-the-berm expansion pad.

But not to get rid of it completely, but to build a better version in EPCOT, which could have been plussed in so many ways, starting with the industrial ceiling of the warehouse.

Oh I like the idea too but this idea to replace it to become the walkway to villians is incredibly stupid. People cry about removing classic attractions but are trying to remove one of the quintessential most popular Disney attractions to become??? A walkway??? Are we being fr right now? To save a river that most people genuinely do not care about. I mean look at the last day hype for the ROA, Bugs life had a bigger crowd

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

None of the parks are in Osceola County.

Oh look, another “joke” so you can state nonsense. How clever.

This guy 100% just says the most ridiculous stuff and just ends it off with a wink as if it’s funny now?

Never liked that, if I’m going to have a discussion I don’t love people inserting random “jokes” so they can just say whatever they want and get away with adding nothing of substance

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Nope. The new attractions will increase crowds and the loss of any sense of openness will make the increased crowds FEEL even more oppressive.

I already find MK unpleasantly tight and packed in with both people and structures. Entering the RoA area gave a palpable sense of relief. That area will now become as oppressive as Adventureland - arguably more so because HM, Splash, Thunder, and now Piston all TOWER in a way structures in Adventure don’t. Tomorrowland is now the most open spot in the MK despite the placement of the idiotic stage.

There are pathways throughout the entire thing it seems with some open area around the queue entrance. I think it will be fine. I also like how I’ve heard the argument that cars is irrelevant and no one cares about it AND cars is going to overcrowd the park because of how popular it will be (but it’s still gonna be bad)

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh I like the idea too but this idea to replace it to become the walkway to villians is incredibly stupid. People cry about removing classic attractions but are trying to remove one of the quintessential most popular Disney attractions to become??? A walkway??? Are we being fr right now? To save a river that most people genuinely do not care about. I mean look at the last day hype for the ROA, Bugs life had a bigger crowd

Maybe because you’re over simplifying and generalizing? For one thing, “it’s a small world” isn’t the central organizing element of Fantasyland.

There are pathways throughout the entire thing it seems with some open area around the queue entrance. I think it will be fine. I also like how I’ve heard the argument that cars is irrelevant and no one cares about it AND cars is going to overcrowd the park because of how popular it will be (but it’s still gonna be bad)

Crowding is not just a function of numbers. It is relative. It can also be shaped and created. Disney wants crowding and works to achieve that end.

 

[FettFan]

What if, the audience just sincerely doesn't want to be lectured to while on vacation?

That’s the value of edutainment; when done well, there is literally no lecture.

And that is why we still love Cranium Command 20-odd years later.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I mean if the attraction has no wait and only can fit around 400 on at once, it can only get through 800 people in an hour and still has no wait.

That’s not the question though. Moana and the friendship boats do not have a wait either. Parks need things like that.

 

[JD80]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

 

[plutofan15]

Sure. I just think statements (like you just shared) convey that better and in a more respectful manner. I think it makes for more productive conversations.

Unfortunately, there are very little productive conversations here.

 

[Jedi14]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

Depending on the time of day, it felt like a tight walkway to Thunder Mountain.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This guy 100% just says the most ridiculous stuff and just ends it off with a wink as if it’s funny now?

Never liked that, if I’m going to have a discussion I don’t love people inserting random “jokes” so they can just say whatever they want and get away with adding nothing of substance

This guy does appreciate everyone who reads my post for whatever reason. If you do not like my posts I think there is block functionality? I am not sure since I never used it, I enjoy reading everyone's posts whether I agree or disagree. No winky used in this post.

 

[plutofan15]

How do you know? There has been some conflicting reports about how long they spent on this idea.

For a company that has budgets for five years out, this project was not thrown together at the last minute.

 

[Incomudro]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

Me too.
On crowded days, I've always found it to be one of the worst areas of the park.

 

[plutofan15]

Me too.
On crowded days, I've always found it to be one of the worst areas of the park.

Especially before, after and during parades. But during the first hour or so of park opening it can be somewhat relaxing.

 

[Incomudro]

MK feels much more oppressively crowded then the other parks not only because the crowds are larger but because it’s much more tightly packed and there are far fewer open “vistas” (I don’t have the design language to be more precise), spaces you can look that aren’t packed with people or structures. EPCOT in particular is arranged to accentuate these open spaces (one reason the overly busy new hub fails) but MGM and AK have them too. The Frontierland changes will not only increase crowds but, by getting rid of the parks only remaining vista, will increase the SENSE of the being crowded.

To put it simply - MK badly needs more open spaces, not fewer.

Don't forget it's higher proportionate population of mobility scooters.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Nein, die Welt ist nicht klein, Sie haben sie nur nicht richtig organisiert.

Dōmo arigatō Marie Kondo.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Let me be the first then: I think this will look better and be a better fit.

Well, I hope you’re right. My concern with the design is that it seems rockwork heavy and to me, at this point, rockwork is just… fine. It’s not awful, it’s very forgiving and hard to mess up, but in 2025 it’s not going to knock your socks off either. Rockwork is a run of the mill feature to beautify lots of places, it’s not something that is going to be either dazzling in its own right or, alternately, result in some escapist placemaking. My worry is that this will continue the trend we’re seeing with the resorts, where they could be a Marriott or upscale mall in Anywhereville. My concern is also that the places in Orlando that do strike me as pretty amazing - Main Street, World Showcase, the Harry Potter lands at Universal, even Galaxies Edge despite a few quibbles I have there - involve more money than Disney is interested in spending. So you have iconic visuals from another era being knocked down to create “fine” visuals in 2025.

Again, we’ll see. If they pull off a really beautiful landscape then I think people will enjoy it.

 

[Brer Panther]

I point to their least attended park as a perfect example of what happens when Disney fails to comprehend this, despite having lots of rides and IP on paper.

I know you're referring to either California Adventure or Walt Disney Studios Paris, but I'm not sure which one.

Guardians of the Galaxy is a fine roller coaster....for Hollywood Studios.

I still think they should've just rethemed Rock 'n' Roller Coaster to Guardians of the Galaxy.

I would bet a giant amount of money that there is no way in hell Disney would ever relocate Small World.

Disney would never build an attraction like It's a Small World today. Even if they added Disney characters to it like Disneyland's.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

While I know this would never happen - and there isn't a great location for it at EPCOT, I would be totally for this. Seems like it could have allowed for a much different version of what we're getting that could have both preserved more of what people want and still allowed all the new things coming in.

Sure there is…Germany, where the original water ride was initially planned…I’m sure with a little creative imagineering, TWDC could make it fit and work…and by using that space, another expansion pad wouldn’t have to be sacrificed.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

There’s reasons for any decision. That doesn’t mean it was “the best way.”

For all we know….. one executive looked at a plan that included the riverboat staying and said “put a cars attraction there” and walked out. Not saying that’s what happened but we don’t know.

Possible - would like to think more thought than that

And "best" for Disney doesn't mean it matches "Best" for everyone/every guest